Week 15: Bad (5-8) @ Indifference (5-8) MNF

[Banedon]

Here's a thing I posted after the Packers season-ending game last year:

 

This team has all the makings of a 13-3 first round bye team next year. Book it.

 

bloops

 

A whole lot of very football smart people were very, very wrong about this team this year.

[SpongeWorthy]

Here's a thing I posted before the season:

 

emery and trestman is a top 5 brain trust in the NFL

 

sulley told me not to get my hopes up :[

[Guest]

we all missed badly on this team

 

i'm not sure even the most negative saw this coming.

[UK1679666180]

we all missed badly on this team

 

i'm not sure even the most negative saw this coming.

 

I had them at 8-8/9-7, in no way did I see this occuring. I expected some regression on offense and improvement on defense/STs (without Podlesh) but not this.

[jersey cubs fan]

we all missed badly on this team

 

i'm not sure even the most negative saw this coming.

I was wishing and expecting better but definitely had it in my mind that disaster was potentially on the horizon. Lots of volatile players and a coach that nobody respects made me think things would go really well, or if they went bad, it would be horrible.

[Soul]

we all missed badly on this team

 

i'm not sure even the most negative saw this coming.

I was wishing and expecting better but definitely had it in my mind that disaster was potentially on the horizon. Lots of volatile players and a coach that nobody respects made me think things would go really well, or if they went bad, it would be horrible.

 

I remember thinking Trestman would have trouble recovering if things go bad.

 

But that was when he was hired. I still had hopes for this season. My main fear heading into this year was Tucker. I don't think I was alone on that.

[Guest]

we want to lose the rest of the games, right? then why is firing Trestman so important?

My thought on trestman is his future employment is in flux. I want him fired now to be sure he's gone. If he stays something may happen to ease the pressure on him. (Cutler concussion)

 

If he's fired he can't come back. If emery hires an interim then there is nothing to prevent a front office overhaul in January.

I agree with everything here, but the last. Not sure how having an interim necessarily makes a full overhaul more likely.

 

I didn't say it made it more likely. I said it is still possible to do it.

Reading between the lines you said If Emery hires an intern there is nothing to hold back a complete overhaul. The logical counter to that is if Emery doesn't hire an interim there is ______ holding back a complete overhaul. If blank is greater than zero, then that is what you meant. But if that's not what you meant I'm not sure the purpose of that sentence.

 

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

Reading between the lines you said If Emery hires an intern there is nothing to hold back a complete overhaul. The logical counter to that is if Emery doesn't hire an interim there is ______ holding back a complete overhaul. If blank is greater than zero, then that is what you meant. But if that's not what you meant I'm not sure the purpose of that sentence.

 

Jesus man.

 

The point was that some people fear that allowing Emery to fire Trestman means he gets to stay and hire the next guy, thus keeping his job for another 2+ years. So they don't want Emery to fire Trestman. The point was Emery can fire Trestman today, stay through the end of the season with an interim in charge, and it would do nothing to prevent them from also overhauling the front office.

[Guest]

Gotcha. Makes sense if I insert "still" in there.

 

 

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[rawaction]

Most concerning thing to me about this season is the promises Trestman made/had shown.

 

He vowed there would be less pre-snap penalties, and this was a non-issue last year, but it's back with a vengence this year.

 

He vowed to change Cutler's mechanics. He did some last year, but they have regressed this year.

 

He vowed to protect the QB, and he did last year. But now they're terrible again. Injuries or not, Mills, Bushrod and Garza have regressed.

 

He produced a big time offense last year, now they consistently look like they don't know what to do.

 

He vowed to have this team on the same page, but there are still several plays a game where the OL doesn't know who to block, the WRs don't know where to line up or what route to run, and that doesn't even get into the defense and special teams communication issues in coverage and how many people are actually to be on the damn field.

[Guest]

Most concerning thing to me about this season is the promises Trestman made/had shown.

 

He vowed there would be less pre-snap penalties, and this was a non-issue last year, but it's back with a vengence this year.

 

He vowed to change Cutler's mechanics. He did some last year, but they have regressed this year.

 

He vowed to protect the QB, and he did last year. But now they're terrible again. Injuries or not, Mills, Bushrod and Garza have regressed.

 

He produced a big time offense last year, now they consistently look like they don't know what to do.

 

He vowed to have this team on the same page, but there are still several plays a game where the OL doesn't know who to block, the WRs don't know where to line up or what route to run, and that doesn't even get into the defense and special teams communication issues in coverage and how many people are actually to be on the damn field.

I think he wowed Emery with his plan (Emery said he had the most detailed plan of all candidates). It apparently didn't occur to Emery how Trestman would react when the plan changed, or he thought he would respond well.

 

Other big fault from Emery here was thinking he could help Trestman build the staff. If he gets another hire the next coach needs full autonomy there.

 

 

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[Burtonbell]

So I guess we are stuck with Cutler. My neighbor (Cutler hater) and I went through all of the bottom teams that have "worse" QB situations than the Bears right now.

 

Washington

Arizona (though they have Palmer back next year)

St Louis

NY Jets

Tennessee

Jacksonville (they are pushing Bortles, though I think he will be Cutler in 4-5 years)

Buffalo

Houston

Oakland (they love Carr)

Tampa Bay (Cutler will never play for Lovie)

Cleveland (the Manziel is a douche rumors are surfacing, though I doubt they want another douche)

Dark Horse - Philly if they want to move on from their QB's.

Dark Horse 2 - San Fran - swap Cutler for Kaepernick. lol

 

So out of these teams, who is going to trade for him? I just don't see a viable trading partner with any of them. I think the best course of action is an overhaul on the entire staff, hope the defensive FA market has some play makers, draft a LB or S if available, and cross your fingers the new staff can fix this broken machine. I just don't see Cutler going anywhere.

[Guest]

There should be a market for Cutler if you want to move him. However you need at least 2-3 teams to come to the table with offers to get a respectable deal (multiple picks, one being a high second at minimum).

 

Still I'd rather just hold him unless I'm blown away or have targeted a draft QB I REALLY believe in, but I don't think that exists this draft in our slots.

 

 

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[rawaction]

So I guess we are stuck with Cutler. My neighbor (Cutler hater) and I went through all of the bottom teams that have "worse" QB situations than the Bears right now.

 

Washington

Arizona (though they have Palmer back next year)

St Louis

NY Jets

Tennessee

Jacksonville (they are pushing Bortles, though I think he will be Cutler in 4-5 years)

Buffalo

Houston

Oakland (they love Carr)

Tampa Bay (Cutler will never play for Lovie)

Cleveland (the Manziel is a douche rumors are surfacing, though I doubt they want another douche)

Dark Horse - Philly if they want to move on from their QB's.

Dark Horse 2 - San Fran - swap Cutler for Kaepernick. lol

 

So out of these teams, who is going to trade for him? I just don't see a viable trading partner with any of them. I think the best course of action is an overhaul on the entire staff, hope the defensive FA market has some play makers, draft a LB or S if available, and cross your fingers the new staff can fix this broken machine. I just don't see Cutler going anywhere.

 

Tennessee was rumored to be after him if he became a FA. I think they might take him. Whisenhunt is there right? He's the type of veteran coach that would take on a guy like Cutler. He took on Warner and Palmer in Arizona when it looked like they were done (or was Palmer after he left?). He gets a lot of credit for turning Warner and Rivers around the 1 year he was in SD.

 

The others I don't see taking him.

[Guest]

I could see the Rams take a shot if they don't trust Bradfords health. Next year may be a good year for them to strike, and they don't need Cutler to lead an offense-centric team.

 

 

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[JonJayCutler]

Cutler would flourish in Arizona or Cleveland.

[Guest]

Arizona just extended Palmer. Don't see Cleveland ditching Manziel that soon.

 

Wash comes down to Synder - I guess he still really likes RGIII. But if he moves on, they'd be in.

 

Of the other teams, only two will have a shot at Winston/Mariota so the odd one out may be calling.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Rodgers, Brady, Brees vs. 2014 Bears: 94/117 for 1269 yards, 18 TD, 0 INT

[Derwood]

we all missed badly on this team

 

i'm not sure even the most negative saw this coming.

 

Yep

 

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[Banedon]

Chicago Bears owner, George McCaskey was involved in a minor altercation with a New Orleans Saints fan Monday evening at Soldier Field.

 

McCaskey was on his way to sit in his seat at the start of the game but when he arrived a Saints fan was already sitting there. Sources say when McCaskey asked the fan to move, the fan shoved him. Following the shove, a Bears fan tackled the fan and security was called to resolve the issue.

 

Security escorted the Saints fan out of the stadium and the police were called.

[Guest]

Where the hell does McCaskey sit during games?

 

 

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[rawaction]

Rodgers, Brady, Brees vs. 2014 Bears: 94/117 for 1269 yards, 18 TD, 0 INT

 

Depressing is when you look at Tannehill, Geno Smith, and Manuel.

[rawaction]

Rodgers, Brady, Brees vs. 2014 Bears: 94/117 for 1269 yards, 18 TD, 0 INT

 

Depressing is when you look at Tannehill, Geno Smith, and Manuel.

[Guest]

@wiltfongjr: Per @PFF, LBs Shea McClellin & Jon Bostic had the #Bears best run defense grade at +2.0, Brock Vereen had the best pass coverage grade, +1.1

 

My eyes definitely disagreed with McClellin and Bostic's run D grades.

[Banedon]

Rodgers, Brady, Brees vs. 2014 Bears: 94/117 for 1269 yards, 18 TD, 0 INT

 

Depressing is when you look at Tannehill, Geno Smith, and Manuel.

 

Smith - 26/43 316yds 1TD 2INT

Tannehill - 25/32 277yds 2TD 0INT

Manuel - 16/22 173yds 1TD 1INT

 

 

Totals - 67/97 for 766yds 4TD and 3INTs

 

Not all that special outside of Tannehill.