Week 14: Someone @ Who Cares? Thursday

[Guest]

 

Our best hope is old Virgina kicking the bucket and her family forced to sell the team. Its widely known the Mccaskeys don't have the financial resources to be able to afford the massive estate taxes her death would bring. That's the best scenario.

 

Hub has said that it is widely believed/expected that there's already a sale worked out for when that happens to Pat Ryan.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Our best hope is old Virgina kicking the bucket and her family forced to sell the team. Its widely known the Mccaskeys don't have the financial resources to be able to afford the massive estate taxes her death would bring. That's the best scenario.

 

Hub has said that it is widely believed/expected that there's already a sale worked out for when that happens to Pat Ryan.

 

 

Like he has any chance of outliving Virginia

[WrigleyField 22]

The high priced vets thing isn't too damning. We're still in a healthy cap situation overall and things open up a lot after next year. Though we will have to extend Jeffery at that time and replace/retain Forte.

 

I'll suggest Wade Phillips as D Coordinator. He's probably the best we can get under a hot-seat HC as he spent the last year unemployed. He's a 3-4 guy but it isn't the traditional 2 gap scheme so we can probably adapt. Unlike Rex who will likely have many suitors and could cause locker room friction, Phillips should be able to come in as a DC only and just focus on that unit. No undermining Trestman which would be a concern with Rex IMO. Although maybe making Trestman uncomfortable would be good.

 

ST who knows, but hard to imagine we can do worse.

 

I'd be interested if Kromer will become a sacrificial lamb as well and/or if Emery would push Trestman to give up play calling duties.

 

I still think the talent level is not that severe. On D we really need an impact player or two though. If we could draft one impact guy in this draft, it would help a lot.

 

Obviously Suh is available as an impact D guy... But to get him well definitely need to backload and leverage future cap, or else we'll be stuck with the same DBs. Still think I'd rather spread the FA dollars around (especially if we do switch to a 3-4)

 

 

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I would be Ok with Phillips, but don't really want to go 3-4. It could work, but I think it would mean too many resources in the front 7, when the back 4 now needs the most work. Ratliff, Houston, and Bostic could really benefit from a move to 3-4, and the back 4 don't really change much. I'd really love to lure one of the Seattle guys away (Quinn made asst HC, with complete control on D coaches and personnel) or (DB coach, with his first DC job, with a promise of being future HC).

If we can get a legit candidate from a relatively successful defense I'm okay with that, but I'm skeptical. There's not even any guarantee we can interview position coaches.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's an NFL team, regardless of the perceived length, how could they not have a line out the door looking to fill that role?

[WrigleyField 22]

It's an NFL team, regardless of the perceived length, how could they not have a line out the door looking to fill that role?

Well specifically responding to raw, I could totally see the Seahawks guys

1. Being loyal to Carroll

2. Getting better DC offers

3. Taking over as DC of Sea with Quinn getting a HC job.

 

A lot of the other good defenses where we might find strong position coaches are 3-4 D's anyways.

 

Definitely feels short on proven guys, so we're probably taking a chance on someone.

 

Another guy with good DC experience in a 4-3 is Alan Williams, formerly of Minn and now secondary coach with Detroit. Detroit has incentive to block that interview though. Maybe Mike Smith if he's fired to come in a run a 4-3, though he may decide to take a year off if canned. Otherwise I don't see another 4-3 defense that is so outstanding as to get me excited about a first time DC.

[WrigleyField 22]

Dated, but interesting read on Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/1/4/1913068/thats-so-crazy-it-just-might-work-examining-wade-phillips-3-4-scheme

 

And a brief read on the 4-3 Seahawks scheme

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2024443703_seahawksdefense03xml.html

 

Some similarities with the Seahawks using some 3-4 elements anyways.

 

Not necessarily propping up Wade as a savior to our D, but he may be one of most established D guys around AND available (if last off seasons is an indication where he was looked over). Its a one gap scheme and it wouldn't be his first go round converting a 4-3 scheme (and doing so quickly).

[rawaction]

Dated, but interesting read on Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/1/4/1913068/thats-so-crazy-it-just-might-work-examining-wade-phillips-3-4-scheme

 

And a brief read on the 4-3 Seahawks scheme

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2024443703_seahawksdefense03xml.html

 

Some similarities with the Seahawks using some 3-4 elements anyways.

 

Not necessarily propping up Wade as a savior to our D, but he may be one of most established D guys around AND available (if last off seasons is an indication where he was looked over). Its a one gap scheme and it wouldn't be his first go round converting a 4-3 scheme (and doing so quickly).

 

Yeah, it could be done with this team.

 

DE- Houston

NT- Paea/Ferguson

DE- Ratliff/Sutton

 

OLB- Young/Allen

ILB- Bostic

ILB- Jones

OLB- Draft pick (1st round likely)/McClellin

 

You'd still need to pick up an ILB like you need to stay 4-3. You'd still need at least 1 really good S and a CB. And that OLB draft pick has to be really good to make the 3-4 work.

[Guest]

If we're going to go 3-4, I'd prefer Rex.

[Guest]

Dated, but interesting read on Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/1/4/1913068/thats-so-crazy-it-just-might-work-examining-wade-phillips-3-4-scheme

 

And a brief read on the 4-3 Seahawks scheme

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2024443703_seahawksdefense03xml.html

 

Some similarities with the Seahawks using some 3-4 elements anyways.

 

Not necessarily propping up Wade as a savior to our D, but he may be one of most established D guys around AND available (if last off seasons is an indication where he was looked over). Its a one gap scheme and it wouldn't be his first go round converting a 4-3 scheme (and doing so quickly).

 

Yeah, it could be done with this team.

 

DE- Houston

NT- Paea/Ferguson

DE- Ratliff/Sutton

 

OLB- Young/Allen

ILB- Bostic

ILB- Jones

OLB- Draft pick (1st round likely)/McClellin

 

You'd still need to pick up an ILB like you need to stay 4-3. You'd still need at least 1 really good S and a CB. And that OLB draft pick has to be really good to make the 3-4 work.

I think you'd need a beefaroni butt to start at NT. But Ferguson and Paea could rotate around in certain situations, which is useful. Paea in particular is strong enough to hold the point of attack, but not big enough to do it on every down.

 

But I don't think you'd need much more personnel to do it, the Packers drafted Raji after using Johnny Jolly there and that's about it.

 

One thing that a 3-4 would allow to do would be play nickel all the time. Maybe draft a big, fast tweener with some coverage skills and tell him to play middle backer.

 

How long will it be before a team is able to switch back and forth between fronts without missing a beat? Seems like the best defenses all do a little bit of it already.

[WrigleyField 22]

Sulley your thinking of the traditional Steelers/Ravens 3-4. Wade Phillips used Ratliffe as NT in Dallas. It's still one gap assignments.

 

He transitioned 4-3 defenses in Dallas and Houston in a year.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Dante Fowler in round one. OL round 2. Jake Ryan round 3. Focus on DB in free agency (Flowers CB, Rolle S, Delmas S). That D is ready to run a one gap 3-4 IMO.

 

 

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[Sosa21MVP]

Fire everyone. I'm usually not that guy, but now I am. I know it won't happen though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dated, but interesting read on Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/1/4/1913068/thats-so-crazy-it-just-might-work-examining-wade-phillips-3-4-scheme

 

And a brief read on the 4-3 Seahawks scheme

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2024443703_seahawksdefense03xml.html

 

Some similarities with the Seahawks using some 3-4 elements anyways.

 

Not necessarily propping up Wade as a savior to our D, but he may be one of most established D guys around AND available (if last off seasons is an indication where he was looked over). Its a one gap scheme and it wouldn't be his first go round converting a 4-3 scheme (and doing so quickly).

 

Yeah, it could be done with this team.

 

DE- Houston

NT- Paea/Ferguson

DE- Ratliff/Sutton

 

OLB- Young/Allen

ILB- Bostic

ILB- Jones

OLB- Draft pick (1st round likely)/McClellin

 

You'd still need to pick up an ILB like you need to stay 4-3. You'd still need at least 1 really good S and a CB. And that OLB draft pick has to be really good to make the 3-4 work.

 

Just adding this in- in Phillips 3-4 in Dallas, Ratliff was his NT.

[UMFan83]

Barring significant improvement, I’m told the #Bears plan to part ways with defensive coordinator Mel Tucker after this season.

 

From Rapport. Great reporting

[ConstableRabbit]

 

Our best hope is old Virgina kicking the bucket and her family forced to sell the team. Its widely known the Mccaskeys don't have the financial resources to be able to afford the massive estate taxes her death would bring. That's the best scenario.

 

Hub has said that it is widely believed/expected that there's already a sale worked out for when that happens to Pat Ryan.

 

 

Like he has any chance of outliving Virginia

Pat Ryan's in excellent health. The dude does not look 80.

[rawaction]

Barring significant improvement, I’m told the #Bears plan to part ways with defensive coordinator Mel Tucker after this season.

 

From Rapport. Great reporting

 

I love that that makes it sound like there's a chance Tucker could stay if the defense finishes with 3 dominant games or some [expletive].

 

He also said there's some buyers remorse with Cutler and a big reason is him not checking out of bad run plays based on defensive looks. Which is funny considering the complaint earlier was him checking out of run plays.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i cant wait until they run cutler out of town and we spend the next 20 years rotating in dogshit QB after dogshit QB again. [expletive] morons in this front office.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea the Cutler thing is weird as its complete opposite of reports at the time. Also no mention of Joe D worries me.

[WrigleyField 22]

Also weird - did this just suddenly become a problem? Its either something that wasn't an issue last year and correctable or was last year and they ignored it.

[JonJayCutler]

i cant wait until they run cutler out of town and we spend the next 20 years rotating in [expletive] QB after [expletive] QB again. [expletive] morons in this front office.

 

This. A sick part of me wants it to happen.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Our best hope is old Virgina kicking the bucket and her family forced to sell the team. Its widely known the Mccaskeys don't have the financial resources to be able to afford the massive estate taxes her death would bring. That's the best scenario.

 

Hub has said that it is widely believed/expected that there's already a sale worked out for when that happens to Pat Ryan.

 

 

Like he has any chance of outliving Virginia

Pat Ryan's in excellent health. The dude does not look 80.

 

 

Virginia is the devil. No one will ever out live that witch

[minnesotacubsfan]

i cant wait until they run cutler out of town and we spend the next 20 years rotating in [expletive] QB after [expletive] QB again. [expletive] morons in this front office.

 

This. A sick part of me wants it to happen.

 

 

Cutler is easy to pick on right or wrong. Enough meathead fans will cheer the departure of Cutler (deservedly so or not) that its easy to point the finger at him. But until they (the front office) start to treat the Chicago Bears Head Coaching position like its one of the top 32 dream jobs out there and get real about what is expected from that position, they will never go far with this team. If Mel Tucker can ride his [expletive] wave into the sun, why would someone like Jay Cutler give a damn what his Sunday performance looks like? Why would he believe in Trestman at all?

[UMFan83]

Well good news for the Bears today... Rams (6-7), Giants (4-9) and Panthers (4-8-1) are going to win today. Jets and Vikings are going to OT. I think we root for the Vikings here because passing a potentially 3-10 Jets team might be too difficult with 3 games left.

[gscool89]

Well good news for the Bears today... Rams (6-7), Giants (4-9) and Panthers (4-8-1) are going to win today. Jets and Vikings are going to OT. I think we root for the Vikings here because passing a potentially 3-10 Jets team might be too difficult with 3 games left.

Yep go Vikings. Also the embarrassment of last place.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm not sure why all of this is good for the bears