If pitch framing is so valuable...

[Bull]

Does it have an effect on how you view free agent starting pitchers and trade targets?

i.e., starting pitchers who threw to rotten pitch framing catchers last year are actually better than their numbers suggest, and therefore could be had at a discount. I would think relievers would be too small a sample size.

[TruffleShuffle]

It's something to be looked at, but there's probably far more value in finding pitchers who were unlucky on balls in play or who happened to pitch in front of lousy fielders. I.e., fly ball pitchers on the Cubs last year would have been significantly hurt by bad outfield defenders.

[Fro]

In an extreme example, maybe there's around a 50 run net swing in going from -24 (Castillo) to +24 (Montero)

 

50 runs over 1150 innings of catching... maybe 200 go to each starter?

 

So you're saving about 8.7 runs over 200 IP (some of those will be unearned). Maybe 0.2 or 0.3 points of ERA at most.

 

I think at least part of that is umpire bias, so a "good" pitcher on a "good" team is going to get more borderline calls, regardless of how the catcher frames it (although I think that's a factor).

[Abe Frohman]

Who comes up with this "framing" bs, and how is it quantified?

 

The three most important skills a catcher brings to the table, in order of importance:

 

1) Receiving

2) Blocking

3) Throwing

 

Framing is not receiving. There is a way to present a pitch to an umpire, and that is receiving. Framing suggests you pull a ball out of the strike zone into the zone - and expect the umpire not to get pissed off. "Framing" shouldn't even be a baseball term.

[imb]

Who comes up with this "framing" bs, and how is it quantified?

 

The three most important skills a catcher brings to the table, in order of importance:

 

1) Receiving

2) Blocking

3) Throwing

 

Framing is not receiving. There is a way to present a pitch to an umpire, and that is receiving. Framing suggests you pull a ball out of the strike zone into the zone - and expect the umpire not to get pissed off. "Framing" shouldn't even be a baseball term.

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

What do you think receiving is?

[jersey cubs fan]

What do you think receiving is?

butt stuff

 

When there's framing involved with receiving people get upset, just ask gawker.

[Banedon]

Um, why on earth would you bump a 3 post thread from 8 months ago rather than just start a new topic on this?

[Tracer Bullet]

DOWN WITH MEGATHREADS!

[abuck1220]

i''ve got a great thread on schwarber's framing going, why don't you post there.