Olney: Cubs absolute favorite to land Stanton if he's dealt

[bhogg]

Surely an outfield of Bryant, Stanton, and Soler will out produce their defensive inadequecies. .......on the ps4

[Guest]

I'm honestly not that interested in trading for him. We don't need him, our offense is going to be ridiculous without him. I'm trying to decide if I'd do Starlin/Almora for him, but I'm not dealing one of Javy/KB/Russell/Soler in a deal-we just don't need him that badly.

 

And I hate putting Russell or Javy over Starlin here, as it just seems wrong to do so, SNTS or whatever, but I have to say it IS how I feel.

 

Stanton would absolutely be worth two of our top 5. plus i don't think they value the latent value of Castro.

[Deeg]

Surely an outfield of Bryant, Stanton, and Soler will out produce their defensive inadequecies. .......on the ps4

 

I think if you deal for Stanton and Soler isn't part of the package, you're more or less banking on Bryant staying at 3B and Schwarber at C.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Soler/Alcantara/Johnson+ 2 low A guys

[davell]

2.3 WAR in 116 games last season. You guys are trying to buy high here. He's awesome, but he's had his fair share of injuries and he's getting expensive. No, that shouldn't be an issue, but it IS when we're literally sitting here being hopeful of a 100 mill payroll. That cuts severely into any pitching additions we make and that's by far our biggest need. Stanton is great, but we need pitching much more than we need him.

[Deeg]

2.3 WAR in 116 games last season. You guys are trying to buy high here. He's awesome, but he's had his fair share of injuries and he's getting expensive. No, that shouldn't be an issue, but it IS when we're literally sitting here being hopeful of a 100 mill payroll. That cuts severely into any pitching additions we make and that's by far our biggest need. Stanton is great, but we need pitching much more than we need him.

 

If you want to cherrypick WAR, Oliver is projecting 6.5 per over the next four years. He's already at 5.6, and he was at 5.6 two years ago as a 22 year-old. Or you could isolate one season where he missed 50 games and dealt with injuries and give that the most weight, your choice.

[sneakypower]

Baez, Almora, Vogelbach, Edwards

[treebird]

Baez, Almora, Vogelbach, Edwards

 

love it

[davell]

2.3 WAR in 116 games last season. You guys are trying to buy high here. He's awesome, but he's had his fair share of injuries and he's getting expensive. No, that shouldn't be an issue, but it IS when we're literally sitting here being hopeful of a 100 mill payroll. That cuts severely into any pitching additions we make and that's by far our biggest need. Stanton is great, but we need pitching much more than we need him.

 

If you want to cherrypick WAR, Oliver is projecting 6.5 per over the next four years. He's already at 5.6, and he was at 5.6 two years ago as a 22 year-old. Or you could isolate one season where he missed 50 games and dealt with injuries and give that the most weight, your choice.

 

Or you grasp what I said. Your choice. We have a budget. Stanton will start to take up a good bit of it. And Oliver, since that's what you're using, projects the following over the next 4 years for our top 5 prospects on average.....

 

Javy-6.2

KB-4.9

Russell-4.8

Soler-1.2(WTF)

Almora-2.9

 

If you're going to use Oliver, it makes even LESS sense to give up 2 of our 5 for him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Everyone on all sides stop using Oliver right now. Thank you.

[davell]

Everyone on all sides stop using Oliver right now. Thank you.

 

I'm not the one who brought it up. It's stupid. I have no issue dealing for him on our terms, which is actually what Deeg is saying too. Sulley brought up 2 of the top 5 and I'm not going there for him.

[Geech]

Immediately prior to this season, Oliver predicted about a 1.5 wins per year for Rizzo for the next five years. You can still see it on fangraphs.

[Deeg]

Everyone on all sides stop using Oliver right now. Thank you.

 

I'm not the one who brought it up. It's stupid. I have no issue dealing for him on our terms, which is actually what Deeg is saying too. Sulley brought up 2 of the top 5 and I'm not going there for him.

 

Basically, yeah. I wouldn't give up any of our top four guys for him, but if you could make a deal without them I'd be all over it. I just don't think you can sell this guy short - he's one of the very best players in baseball at 24. Not potentially, not if all goes well, not someday - right now.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's on pace for like 7 wins at 24, and it isn't the first time he's played at this pace.

 

If all they ask for is Baez, Almora and a couple of lesser guys, you thank them for their generosity. (I know, I'm completely bipolar on this issue).

[davell]

Everyone on all sides stop using Oliver right now. Thank you.

 

I'm not the one who brought it up. It's stupid. I have no issue dealing for him on our terms, which is actually what Deeg is saying too. Sulley brought up 2 of the top 5 and I'm not going there for him.

 

Basically, yeah. I wouldn't give up any of our top four guys for him, but if you could make a deal without them I'd be all over it. I just don't think you can sell this guy short - he's one of the very best players in baseball at 24. Not potentially, not if all goes well, not someday - right now.

 

Yeah, we're in basic agreement. But I seriously doubt we can get it done with that. I'm fine with it though, if that's the case.

[Castros trade value]

I know I'm probably analyzing this far too much, but could it be that the Cubs brought up Javier to showcase him for 2 months? Everyone knows Baez starts off slow at every level and then goes bananas.

 

Could it be that Theo and Jed are banking on this pattern to continue so that when he puts up huge numbers in September, he's the center piece for a Stanton deal if Miami decides to move him?

 

Again, I fully realize I'm probably analyzing this way too much.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Here's my issue on a Stanton trade.

 

A lot of what we may have to and even should give up depends on the Marlins stance.

 

If the Marlins are going to trade him, then we only need to beat what they can get from another team. In this case, I think we may be able to get him without giving up one of Bryant, Russell, or Baez.

 

If the Marlins are willing to keep him and will only trade him if blown away, then we will almost certainly have to give up one of those three.

 

In BA's midseason list, Bryant was #2, Russell #5, and Baez #7. That would mean the only teams who could beat the centerpiece of one of those three would be Twins (Buxton #1), Astros (Correa #3), Rangers (Gallo #4) and Indians (Lindor#6)

 

Of those teams, I am worried most about the Rangers. They seem less concerned about holding on to prospects and could even include a player like Odor to entice the Marlins.

 

I think we could build a package around Alcantara and hold on to Bryant, Baez, and Russell.

[Clem Fandango]

If we can use Castro as the centerpiece that'd be ideal, as sad as I would be to see him go, but you have to question if Miami would want to take on his contract given how cheap they are. I realize the contract isn't even that expensive, but it's Miami so who knows wtf they are thinking.

 

I think we're all being a little selfish in wanting to see all of this power in the same lineup though. After all, what's the best way you can compliment the 5 power bats in your system? A 6th power bat, of course!

 

In reality, I think a deal doesn't get done if it doesn't have Baez or Russell as the centerpiece, though. I'd hate to lose either one, but Kyle's logic isn't flawed at all. Do the Cubs need A 7 win player? Of course, every team does. The Cubs can win without him, but having him makes it much easier, which is what a team should want.

 

Like I said before I'm torn on whether or not they make a move for him. I'll be happy either way, but acquiring Stanton should never be viewed as a bad idea. I'm as in love with our farm system as anyone else, but part of the reason they exists is to be used to acquire legit MLB talent. At some point they're gonna utilize it for that, why not utilize it on the biggest name available?

[SouthSideRyan]

can we trick the marlins into thinking almora isn't trash? someone good plus almora sounds like a good starting point for stanton to me.

 

Baez/Almora/Vizcaino get us close?

[Guest]

How would everyone feel about Stanton as a Cardinal? One of the chief rivals to the Cubs acquiring him would be St Louis. They could offer something around Taveras and pitching.

[SouthSideRyan]

How would everyone feel about Stanton as a Cardinal? One of the chief rivals to the Cubs acquiring him would be St Louis. They could offer something around Taveras and pitching.

 

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[Cubswin11]

can we trick the marlins into thinking almora isn't trash? someone good plus almora sounds like a good starting point for stanton to me.

 

Baez/Almora/Vizcaino get us close?

I would think so, add 1-2 more guys (Vogelbach and Pierce) and I think that's pretty reasonable.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dan Vogelbach is so clearly trade bait in my mind that I'd barely flinch in whatever trade he gets tossed into

[Guest]

2.3 WAR in 116 games last season. You guys are trying to buy high here. He's awesome, but he's had his fair share of injuries and he's getting expensive. No, that shouldn't be an issue, but it IS when we're literally sitting here being hopeful of a 100 mill payroll. That cuts severely into any pitching additions we make and that's by far our biggest need. Stanton is great, but we need pitching much more than we need him.

 

If you want to cherrypick WAR, Oliver is projecting 6.5 per over the next four years. He's already at 5.6, and he was at 5.6 two years ago as a 22 year-old. Or you could isolate one season where he missed 50 games and dealt with injuries and give that the most weight, your choice.

 

If we're going to act like oliver matters, look at what it projects for bryant and baez and you wouldn't even consider trading them for him.

 

edit - sorry, should've read ahead

[PrimeTime]

Would definitely rather wait 2 years until he becomes a FA and give him a truckload of cash instead of giving away prospects from our sexy farm system.