Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-24-14

[imb]

Schwarber doesn't have the built in prospect momentum to crack the top 50

[Bobson Dugnutt]

BP indicated that Schwarber would have fit in somewhere around the 45-50 range if he were eligible for the midseason list. That was before he was promoted to Daytona. I'd be surprised if he didn't crack the top 50 on at least few lists.

[ScrubMD]

Soler HR

[gscool89]

Apparently he hit it far

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Soler HR

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Soler just hit one to Idaho.

[bukie]

Iowa is currently 4 games out of a playoff spot (thanks to an 8 game losing streak). Their elimination number is 6. Edited August 25, 2014 by bukie

[ctcf]

I give up

[Bobson Dugnutt]

What a fun weekend.

[Cubswin11]

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[davell]

Seriously. Just holy [expletive]. Unfucking real.

[CubsWin]

Russell HR

 

I still am kind of in disbelief that he's a member of the Cub organization. 11 home runs in a month and a half, as one of the youngest players in a pitcher's league. And he's a shortstop.

We have effectively been anesthetized to the pains of any fan who follows a normal minor league organization. It's never been like this before. It may never be like this again. When this wears off, reality is going to hit and hit hard.

 

I kind of trust the Cubs' scouting and player development system (never thought I would say that) to at least keep them around the middle of the pack, considering that the Red Sox were regularly among the top third of all systems despite usually drafting late in each round.

 

That being said, some of the tools they exploited (spending heavily on amateur talent, piling up compensation picks that other teams undervalued) are no longer available. So my optimism may be unwarranted.

I think they're going to continue to do well and find good talent when compared to other front offices, but even that is going to feel hollow and meaningless compared to the ridiculousness that is going on right now.

[weis21]

Seriously. Just holy [expletive]. Unfucking real.

[TruffleShuffle]

Schwarber doesn't have the built in prospect momentum to crack the top 50

 

I don't have my 2014 prospect handbook handy, but I think I remember most of the top 6 or 8 picks making most of the BA writers' lists. Schwarber might have been regarded as an overdraft, but top 5 picks who reach high A and OPS over 1.000 are going to be on most top 50 lists, even with some defensive concerns.

[davell]

Most of the gurus have said this is the best group of hitting prospects a team has ever assembled. So yeah, it's downhill from here as far as that goes. But this FO will keep a solid system, I'm very confident in that.

 

And Theo mentioned one time that the fans invested in these guys throughout their journey to the bigs may find more enjoyment when it all comes together and I believe that. This is quickly becoming the fun part of the ride as we're seeing these kids start to come up now.

[CubsWin]

Russell HR

 

I still am kind of in disbelief that he's a member of the Cub organization. 11 home runs in a month and a half, as one of the youngest players in a pitcher's league. And he's a shortstop.

We have effectively been anesthetized to the pains of any fan who follows a normal minor league organization. It's never been like this before. It may never be like this again. When this wears off, reality is going to hit and hit hard.

 

But the major league team will be good which will be 10x better.

I know. I'm hoping that I spend my time in the Cubs discussion forums and only check in here, but I know that will never happen. I'm hooked on prospects.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemkOKKRWic

 

[Warpticon]

Schwarber's slashline in Daytona is going to look similar to Bryant's by the end of the year. Since Schwarber has Top 5 pick pedigree and starting next year in AA, where is he listed on offseason Top 100 prospect lists? Does he crack Top 10?

too many questions on defense to go near the top 10. I would guess anywhere from 30-50.

 

I'll be very surprised if he's top 50. He was considered a slot saver and there's plenty of question on what position he winds up playing. My guess is 50-75 on most and 76-100 on a few.

 

If he rakes next year and starts to look like a C longterm, he vaults into the top 10 with ease. But this season, while awesome, isn't going to put him anywhere near there yet.

 

There's just no way things go down like this. There's no amount of defensive pensiveness to justify keeping a bat that has produced like this, at this level, outside of the top 50, especially since the defensive scouting reports we've seen have been guardedly optimistic about him sticking at catcher. It would be one thing if he was still doing this in Boise or KC, but he's mashing in high A 2 months after he was drafted.

[davell]

Schwarber doesn't have the built in prospect momentum to crack the top 50

 

I don't have my 2014 prospect handbook handy, but I think I remember most of the top 6 or 8 picks making most of the BA writers' lists. Schwarber might have been regarded as an overdraft, but top 5 picks who reach high A and OPS over 1.000 are going to be on most top 50 lists, even with some defensive concerns.

 

One, some of the gurus acted like only a select few would make the top 50 and it might have been Law that said no one would have made his top 25.

 

Keep in mind, just because we drafted him 4th, he was considered a top 12-15 guy and these guys aren't going to bump him just because we took him higher.

 

Then add in that Law doesn't appear to give a [expletive] about stats from college guys at lower levels and Parks places a huge emphasis on position and its not looking great for Schwarber right now for their lists, in my mind.

 

Kiley likes him a bunch and my guess is BA will rank him rather highly too. The highest ranking he's likely to get will be from Sickels, since he's damn near an all stats guy.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Schwarber doesn't have the built in prospect momentum to crack the top 50

 

I don't have my 2014 prospect handbook handy, but I think I remember most of the top 6 or 8 picks making most of the BA writers' lists. Schwarber might have been regarded as an overdraft, but top 5 picks who reach high A and OPS over 1.000 are going to be on most top 50 lists, even with some defensive concerns.

 

One, some of the gurus acted like only a select few would make the top 50 and it might have been Law that said no one would have made his top 25.

 

Keep in mind, just because we drafted him 4th, he was considered a top 12-15 guy and these guys aren't going to bump him just because we took him higher.

 

Then add in that Law doesn't appear to give a [expletive] about stats from college guys at lower levels and Parks places a huge emphasis on position and its not looking great for Schwarber right now for their lists, in my mind.

 

Kiley likes him a bunch and my guess is BA will rank him rather highly too. The highest ranking he's likely to get will be from Sickels, since he's damn near an all stats guy.

 

Again, from the BP midseason top 50:

 

Kyle Schwarber (C/OF, Cubs)

Where he fits: Somewhere after Hunter Renfroe (44th)

Schwarber was the most advanced collegiate bat in the draft class, with an ability to hit for plus in-game power without sacrificing average. He puts together professional at bats, shows well against top competition, and has a general knack for finding his pitch and driving it. At present he’s being permitted to feast upon heavily overmatched Low-A arms, and likely won’t face his first real professional challenge until Double-A (or perhaps the Arizona Fall League if he finds a spot on the taxi squad). The BP Prospect Team loves catchers, so his ranking on the Top 101 might be largely dictated by the position at which the Cubs elect to stick him. If it looks like he is destined for first base, he won’t debut on the Top 101 as high as organization mate Kris Bryant (17th last winter), but he could fit comfortably in the Top 60 or so with a solid 2014 pro showing.

 

1. Right now, it does not appear that he is destined for first base

2. His 2014 showing has obviously been better than solid

 

Shwarber is a top 50 prospect.

[Cubswin11]

Regardless of where he falls I have a feeling we are gonna see a similar line to that highlighted one in all of his reports this offseason. "Most advanced college bat, bat will be what carries him then all the qualifiers on future position. If he can stick at C he's a top 20 prospect, if he can play OF he's top 40, if he can only be 1B/DH he's in the later 1/4 of the top 100."

[TruffleShuffle]

Schwarber doesn't have the built in prospect momentum to crack the top 50

 

I don't have my 2014 prospect handbook handy, but I think I remember most of the top 6 or 8 picks making most of the BA writers' lists. Schwarber might have been regarded as an overdraft, but top 5 picks who reach high A and OPS over 1.000 are going to be on most top 50 lists, even with some defensive concerns.

 

One, some of the gurus acted like only a select few would make the top 50 and it might have been Law that said no one would have made his top 25.

 

Keep in mind, just because we drafted him 4th, he was considered a top 12-15 guy and these guys aren't going to bump him just because we took him higher.

 

Then add in that Law doesn't appear to give a [expletive] about stats from college guys at lower levels and Parks places a huge emphasis on position and its not looking great for Schwarber right now for their lists, in my mind.

 

Kiley likes him a bunch and my guess is BA will rank him rather highly too. The highest ranking he's likely to get will be from Sickels, since he's damn near an all stats guy.

 

They all say stuff like that right after the draft, but then dudes like Alcantara and Baez and Taveras graduate and some of the high draft picks put up great numbers over half a season, and inevitably end up on top 50 lists.

[davell]

The BP thing bodes well for him. Maybe he'll hit more top 50's than I thought. I might be letting Law affect my thinking a bit much here.

[ctcf]

Ah nice to have Schwarber's Daytona OPS back up over 1.000

[Guest]

Russell HR

 

I still am kind of in disbelief that he's a member of the Cub organization. 11 home runs in a month and a half, as one of the youngest players in a pitcher's league. And he's a shortstop.

We have effectively been anesthetized to the pains of any fan who follows a normal minor league organization. It's never been like this before. It may never be like this again. When this wears off, reality is going to hit and hit hard.

 

But the major league team will be good which will be 10x better.

Raisin is gonna be so lonely here :(

 

Fine by me if the bolded is right.

[Guest]

If the Cubs can make it to the 10th, Bryant would be up second.