2015 Rotation

[sneakypower]

Why does Sulley have a hard on for trading Castro?

http://grillingwithrich.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/volare2_meatball1.jpg

[Guest]

Why does Sulley have a hard on for trading Castro?

 

Castro is surplus value at a position of strength, which can help secure something that you need.

 

if you have two penis pumps, you can trade one for a butt plug.

[Derwood]

 

Apparently I have to spell it out for you.

 

No, you just need to make less vague statements. He was pretty clearly arguing that *successfully* signing a Lester/Scherzer was preferable (to him) than trading for a Hamels. Obviously the free agents can choose not to come here.

[Guest]

Why does Sulley have a hard on for trading Castro?

http://grillingwithrich.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/volare2_meatball1.jpg

 

on the contrary, i think you all are meatballs for making a decent player out to be the greatest player ever. you should all go name your kids Starlin so we can identify the kids of todays meatball fans in the future and shun them from any social interaction.

[davell]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him. Not to mention, the Phillies would be stupid to deal Hamels prior to those guys signing as it is.

 

With where we're at in the rebuild and the money we have available, I'll be very surprised if we don't land one of those 3 FA. If we don't, I'm sure Hamels will still be on the market, as no one is going to want to meet their price on him before taking their shot at the others.

 

if you land Hamels, it makes the destination more attractive for another one of them, thereby securing two aces.

 

We're not going to add 2 in one offseason. I'd love it, but everything they're saying is 18-24 months. It lends me to think we WILL add 2 big pitchers, but I can't see it happening at once.

[Guest]

 

Apparently I have to spell it out for you.

 

No, you just need to make less vague statements. He was pretty clearly arguing that *successfully* signing a Lester/Scherzer was preferable (to him) than trading for a Hamels. Obviously the free agents can choose not to come here.

 

that's a stupid argument to make.

[Guest]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him. Not to mention, the Phillies would be stupid to deal Hamels prior to those guys signing as it is.

 

With where we're at in the rebuild and the money we have available, I'll be very surprised if we don't land one of those 3 FA. If we don't, I'm sure Hamels will still be on the market, as no one is going to want to meet their price on him before taking their shot at the others.

 

if you land Hamels, it makes the destination more attractive for another one of them, thereby securing two aces.

 

We're not going to add 2 in one offseason. I'd love it, but everything they're saying is 18-24 months. It lends me to think we WILL add 2 big pitchers, but I can't see it happening at once.

 

why not? if they plan on landing two aces, why on earth would they wait two years to do so when they can do so in one?

[davell]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him.

 

That is so dumb.

 

Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?

[Cubswin11]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

[Guest]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

[davell]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him. Not to mention, the Phillies would be stupid to deal Hamels prior to those guys signing as it is.

 

With where we're at in the rebuild and the money we have available, I'll be very surprised if we don't land one of those 3 FA. If we don't, I'm sure Hamels will still be on the market, as no one is going to want to meet their price on him before taking their shot at the others.

 

if you land Hamels, it makes the destination more attractive for another one of them, thereby securing two aces.

 

We're not going to add 2 in one offseason. I'd love it, but everything they're saying is 18-24 months. It lends me to think we WILL add 2 big pitchers, but I can't see it happening at once.

 

why not? if they plan on landing two aces, why on earth would they wait two years to do so when they can do so in one?

 

Because pitching is volatile for one and it's certainly possible our kids struggle somewhat next year. Which leaves us putting innings on high dollar arms in a season we're not contending in. In order to alleviate that somewhat, I figure they'll get one and if we are contending, look to add mid season.

[Guest]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him.

 

That is so dumb.

 

Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?

 

if you feel you can get a fair deal and secure something that can put you over the top, of course.

[Sammy Sofa]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

 

It also means he's the opposite of surplus value; he's the proven commodity and yet you want to move him as if the Cubs can just plug in someone who is a lock to outproduce him at SS. The surplus value is the relative glut of MI prospects.

[Guest]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him. Not to mention, the Phillies would be stupid to deal Hamels prior to those guys signing as it is.

 

With where we're at in the rebuild and the money we have available, I'll be very surprised if we don't land one of those 3 FA. If we don't, I'm sure Hamels will still be on the market, as no one is going to want to meet their price on him before taking their shot at the others.

 

if you land Hamels, it makes the destination more attractive for another one of them, thereby securing two aces.

 

We're not going to add 2 in one offseason. I'd love it, but everything they're saying is 18-24 months. It lends me to think we WILL add 2 big pitchers, but I can't see it happening at once.

 

why not? if they plan on landing two aces, why on earth would they wait two years to do so when they can do so in one?

 

Because pitching is volatile for one and it's certainly possible our kids struggle somewhat next year. Which leaves us putting innings on high dollar arms in a season we're not contending in. In order to alleviate that somewhat, I figure they'll get one and if we are contending, look to add mid season.

 

dude, i respect you too much to see you do this to yourself.

 

if we don't contend next season then it's because Theo and Jed are planning on not contending, which is the mentality that would lead to us passing up an ace in order to satisfy some "two year plan" in the first place. dumb.

[davell]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him.

 

That is so dumb.

 

Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?

 

if you feel you can get a fair deal and secure something that can put you over the top, of course.

 

Your and my idea of fair differs. I'm not about to move Starlin in a Gamels deal when those guys are on the market still.

[Guest]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

 

It also means he's the opposite of surplus value; he's the proven commodity and yet you want to move him as if the Cubs can just plug in someone who is a lock to outproduce him at SS. The surplus value is the relative glut of MI prospects.

 

Russell's floor is Castro.

[Cubswin11]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

 

It also means he's the opposite of surplus value; he's the proven commodity and yet you want to move him as if the Cubs can just plug in someone who is a lock to outproduce him at SS. The surplus value is the relative glut of MI prospects.

This

[jersey cubs fan]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him.

 

That is so dumb.

 

Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?

I didn't cherry pick. Your argument was incredibly dumb.

 

There is no reason why you can't trade for one and sign another. But the fact is passing on trades because there are free agents who might be interested in you is a great way to end up with neither.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Apparently I have to spell it out for you.

 

No, you just need to make less vague statements. He was pretty clearly arguing that *successfully* signing a Lester/Scherzer was preferable (to him) than trading for a Hamels. Obviously the free agents can choose not to come here.

 

I didn't make a vague statement. It is a sentiment that has been expressed by many who are sick and tired of the "why don't we just keep waiting for a better opportunity" crowd.

[Guest]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him.

 

That is so dumb.

 

Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?

I didn't cherry pick. Your argument was incredibly dumb.

 

There is no reason why you can't trade for one and sign another. But the fact is passing on trades because there are free agents who might be interested in you is a great way to end up with neither.

 

and as i said, getting one makes your destination more attractive

[Sammy Sofa]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

 

It also means he's the opposite of surplus value; he's the proven commodity and yet you want to move him as if the Cubs can just plug in someone who is a lock to outproduce him at SS. The surplus value is the relative glut of MI prospects.

 

Russell's floor is Castro.

 

No, it's not.

[davell]

It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him.

 

That is so dumb.

 

Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?

I didn't cherry pick. Your argument was incredibly dumb.

 

There is no reason why you can't trade for one and sign another. But the fact is passing on trades because there are free agents who might be interested in you is a great way to end up with neither.

 

You're not this dense. Hamels is NOT getting dealt prior to those guys signing. If we DO miss on them, go get him then. But their asking price has been ridiculous. That's not changing and neither is the fact there are only a few teams even capable of both taking on his salary and having the prospects it'd take to get him.

[Cubswin11]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

 

It also means he's the opposite of surplus value; he's the proven commodity and yet you want to move him as if the Cubs can just plug in someone who is a lock to outproduce him at SS. The surplus value is the relative glut of MI prospects.

 

Russell's floor is Castro.

Which is great because these guys have enough versatility and there are enough open positions that we can find room for all of Russell/Castro/Baez/Bryant/Soler on the roster between SS/3B/2B/OF

[davell]

Sulley, I love Javy and KB and Soler as much as anyone. But it's certainly possible that these kids struggle enough to where we're not a contender in 2015. It definitely seems our FO errs on the side of caution. I'm just saying I expect one this offseason and one later on.

[Guest]

Castro is 3rd in BA, SLG, wRC+, wOBA and 4th in HR and OBP amongst all qualified SS this years, FYI

 

which means he's valued highly and could likely net you a good return that fills other needs.

 

It also means he's the opposite of surplus value; he's the proven commodity and yet you want to move him as if the Cubs can just plug in someone who is a lock to outproduce him at SS. The surplus value is the relative glut of MI prospects.

 

Russell's floor is Castro.

 

No, it's not.

 

we'll probably have to disagree