Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-14-14

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Box Scores:

 

Iowa had the day off

 

Tennessee lost 6-5 Box Score

 

Daytona won 13-8 (13 innings) Box Score

 

Kane County lost 3-2 Box Score

 

Boise won 11-6 Box Score

 

AZL Cubs won 5-1 Box Score

 

DSL Cubs lost 4-0 Box Score

 

VSL Cubs lost 6-0 Box Score

[Guest]

Including today:

 

Daury Torrez's first 2 starts: 10.1 IP, 5 ER, 6/5 K/BB, 3 HR

 

Daury Torrez since: 15 GS, 89 IP, 26 ER, 50/10 K/BB, 2 HR; 2.62 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 5.05 K/9, 1.01 BB/9, 0.2 HR/9, 2.81 FIP

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5.05 K/9

 

zzzzzzzzzz

[ScrubMD]

KC is the land where K rates don't matter.

[Guest]

I wonder if Javey and Kris get to hang out at at All-Star game. PTR should put them up at the St. Paul YMCA.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

hard to justify the K rate unless he's getting like 80% groundballs. still, everyone that talks about his stuff says it's good, and he obviously doesn't have problems walking people.

[gscool89]

Almora HR back to back with Marco Hernandez

[Guest]

I'm starting to feel better about Almora again.

 

 

 

 

well, it's been better for a long while now. But the overall numbers are getting there now, too.

[Guest]

I'm starting to feel better about Almora again.

 

 

 

 

well, it's been better for a long while now. But the overall numbers are getting there now, too.

 

he was starting to slow down again and kyle worked his magic on him again a day or two ago

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm starting to feel better about Almora again.

 

 

 

 

well, it's been better for a long while now. But the overall numbers are getting there now, too.

 

he was starting to slow down again and kyle worked his magic on him again a day or two ago

 

I don't care so much about the batting-average fluctuations, but hitting home runs once in awhile is good for him.

 

But he's still got on OPS of like .675 in A+. That's not exactly a good thing.

[CubsWin]

I'm starting to feel better about Almora again.

 

 

 

 

well, it's been better for a long while now. But the overall numbers are getting there now, too.

 

he was starting to slow down again and kyle worked his magic on him again a day or two ago

 

I don't care so much about the batting-average fluctuations, but hitting home runs once in awhile is good for him.

 

But he's still got on OPS of like .675 in A+. That's not exactly a good thing.

We will have to wait and see if he reverts and this has just been a hot 3-4 weeks (coming into today and since June 18th - .341/.378/.518, 12 K/5 BB, with 4 doubles, 1 triple and 3 HRs, now 4) or whether this is true progression. But I'm less swayed by how a player (who is in his 1st go around in a league and is young for it) starts the season than how he finishes it.

[ScrubMD]

Russell double

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Until the first half of games doesn't count, I'll still pretty much care about all of them.

 

I understand that adjustments happen midseason, but there's *way* too much of a rush to throw out early data.

[CubsWin]

Until the first half of games doesn't count, I'll still pretty much care about all of them.

 

I understand that adjustments happen midseason, but there's *way* too much of a rush to throw out early data.

For prospects it's all about development not so much about performance from beginning to end. Not throwing out early data just using it as a reference point. For players in their first year at a given level, especially those who are a year or two young for their league, where you start is much less important than where you finish.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think that's just begging to overlay the story we want to see (look at how he's developing!) over random noise.

 

Add Vogelbach to the list of "well, obviously he's adjusting and that's why he's been on a hot streak" from two weeks ago who are now pretty cold.

[Guest]

Until the first half of games doesn't count, I'll still pretty much care about all of them.

 

I understand that adjustments happen midseason, but there's *way* too much of a rush to throw out early data.

For prospects it's all about development not so much about performance from beginning to end. Not throwing out early data just using it as a reference point. For players in their first year at a given level, especially those who are a year or two young for their league, where you start is much less important than where you finish.

throughout a player's career, there are continuous adjustments to be made as pitchers approach you in different ways, skills build and erode, the body changes, etc. I've often wondered if a player's ability to quickly adapt to higher levels demonstrates an ability to make those adjustments quickly at the major league level.

 

no idea if it is true or not. Just idle speculation.

[CubsWin]

I think that's just begging to overlay the story we want to see (look at how he's developing!) over random noise.

 

Add Vogelbach to the list of "well, obviously he's adjusting and that's why he's been on a hot streak" from two weeks ago who are now pretty cold.

Obviously. That's why you have to wait and see with Almora. Could just be a hot streak. Might be actual progression. I never said the hot streak meant anything by itself. Don't really see the need to create a straw man here.

[craig]

Until Almora's HR tonight, he'd been one single in his last 18 AB.

 

So whatever beautiful adjustment he'd learned, he'd kinda forgotten again.

 

If Almora had really "figured something out", then why did he forget it again? Likewise if Vogelbach had really "made some adjustment" and "figured something out", then why did his brief burst of power cease and he go back into cold mode?

 

Heh heh, so I think I'm with Kyle on this one. Guys have ups, guys have downs. Every time a name prospect has a little hot run, I want to believe they've "figured something out" and "made some adjustment". But usually it's just a crest on the season-long ocean of ups and downs.

[gscool89]

Almora 2 RBI double gives Daytona a 2 run lead.

 

[Guest]

Almora 2 RBI double gives Daytona a 2 run lead.

 

ha! See!?!

 

:)

[CubsWin]

Until Almora's HR tonight, he'd been one single in his last 18 AB.

 

So whatever beautiful adjustment he'd learned, he'd kinda forgotten again.

 

If Almora had really "figured something out", then why did he forget it again? Likewise if Vogelbach had really "made some adjustment" and "figured something out", then why did his brief burst of power cease and he go back into cold mode?

 

Heh heh, so I think I'm with Kyle on this one. Guys have ups, guys have downs. Every time a name prospect has a little hot run, I want to believe they've "figured something out" and "made some adjustment". But usually it's just a crest on the season-long ocean of ups and downs.

Wow. I say 3-4 weeks of vastly different, improved production from the start of his season isn't enough to draw a conclusion from but might be sign of progression. You say that 3 games in which he didn't hit well is enough for you to say he hasn't learned anything and can discount his last three plus weeks. Okay.

[Guest]

People think being cynical on some prospects gives wings to their optimism on other ones. Well, that or they think looking frustrated all the time means they're smart or working hard.

[gscool89]

Kyle Schwarber just tweeted he got promoted and then deleted

 

Edited July 15, 2014 by gscool89

[Vinestal]

Schwarber tweeting this

@kschwarb12: Thank you to the @KCCougars player, coaches and fans for being great in my stay at Kane county! #cougs

 

Getting promoted?

[TruffleShuffle]

almora 4-6 with 2 singles, a double and a home run.