Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[Guest]

Is that the face Theo makes when he realizes he's in danger of going his 7th straight year without winning a singe playoff game?

 

YOU JUST GAVE SOMEBODY [expletive] FOR BEING RESULTS ORIENTED

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Is that the face Theo makes when he realizes he's in danger of going his 7th straight year without winning a singe playoff game?

 

YOU JUST GAVE SOMEBODY [expletive] FOR BEING RESULTS ORIENTED

 

If you don't see the difference between "Ha, you didn't like this personnel move because pitchers are risky but this pitcher is OK now" and taking a potshot at the front office, then I can't help you.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah Christ, the goal is to be good the next 10 years and beyond. I'm sure you were a big fan of Jim Hendry's splurges such as giving up Chris Archer for Matt Garza for a team that had no chance of competing.

 

What are some of those other splurges.

Signing a 32 year old Alfonso Soriano to a 8 year/$136 million deal with 2 bad knees and no experience in the OF comes to mind as one.

 

We're talking trades, but of course you can't help yourself.

 

OK, you've already pretty much exhausted the main examples people flock two when they complain about Hendry dishing out monster contracts that crippled the team and ridiculous lopsided trades that decimated the farm. What's next, Fukudome? Pierre?

 

Hendry was often a cruddy GM, but he's been propped up as something he actually wasn't most of the time. Their problems came from crappy drafting and player development and crippling injuries once he became the GM, not because he was handing out mega-deals and and heaving prospects out the door.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd put it at like a 25% chance that Theo Epstein ends up with equal to or fewer Division Series appearances to Jim Hendry for their Cubs tenures.

[Guest]

Yeah Christ, the goal is to be good the next 10 years and beyond. I'm sure you were a big fan of Jim Hendry's splurges such as giving up Chris Archer for Matt Garza for a team that had no chance of competing.

 

What are some of those other splurges.

Signing a 32 year old Alfonso Soriano to a 8 year/$136 million deal with 2 bad knees and no experience in the OF comes to mind as one.

 

Soriano was 30 when he signed that deal (31 for the 2007 season) and that wasn't all that bad of a contract and he was a very good player for us

 

and 2 bad knees? what?

 

and he had played 158 games in the outfield the season before

 

lol you are completely wrong about so many things wtf

[Guest]

Yeah Christ, the goal is to be good the next 10 years and beyond. I'm sure you were a big fan of Jim Hendry's splurges such as giving up Chris Archer for Matt Garza for a team that had no chance of competing.

 

What are some of those other splurges.

Signing a 32 year old Alfonso Soriano to a 8 year/$136 million deal with 2 bad knees and no experience in the OF comes to mind as one.

 

We're talking trades, but of course you can't help yourself.

 

OK, you've already pretty much exhausted the main examples people flock two when they complain about Hendry dishing out monster contracts that crippled the team and ridiculous lopsided trades that decimated the farm. What's next, Fukudome? Pierre?

 

Hendry was often a cruddy GM, but he's been propped up as something he actually wasn't most of the time. Their problems came from crappy drafting and player development and crippling injuries once he became the GM, not because he was handing out mega-deals and and heaving prospects out the door.

 

how come you didn't pick apart the part where that post was like 80% factually false

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah Christ, the goal is to be good the next 10 years and beyond. I'm sure you were a big fan of Jim Hendry's splurges such as giving up Chris Archer for Matt Garza for a team that had no chance of competing.

 

What are some of those other splurges.

Signing a 32 year old Alfonso Soriano to a 8 year/$136 million deal with 2 bad knees and no experience in the OF comes to mind as one.

 

We're talking trades, but of course you can't help yourself.

 

OK, you've already pretty much exhausted the main examples people flock two when they complain about Hendry dishing out monster contracts that crippled the team and ridiculous lopsided trades that decimated the farm. What's next, Fukudome? Pierre?

 

Hendry was often a cruddy GM, but he's been propped up as something he actually wasn't most of the time. Their problems came from crappy drafting and player development and crippling injuries once he became the GM, not because he was handing out mega-deals and and heaving prospects out the door.

 

how come you didn't pick apart the part where that post was like 80% factually false

 

I'm very sleepy and figured toppling the Hendry strawman would be enough.

[ARCubsFan]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

 

But it got us Corey Black. A *prospect*! I'd spend $150m every day of the week if it meant we got a prospect 10 years later.

[Guest]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

 

what an awful post. as though he was somehow singularly responsible for their playoff fates (or lack thereof).

 

and it was far from one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years unless your list is like a million guys (that's hyperbole) long

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

 

what an awful post. as though he was somehow singularly responsible for their playoff fates (or lack thereof).

 

and it was far from one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years unless your list is like a million guys (that's hyperbole) long

 

Plus Soriano talk always spirals off into this kinda thing. They're never going to understand.

[ARCubsFan]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

 

what an awful post. as though he was somehow singularly responsible for their playoff fates (or lack thereof).

 

and it was far from one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years unless your list is like a million guys (that's hyperbole) long

He went 2-14 in 2007 and 1-14 in 2008 in the playoffs with 8 strikeouts so he was no doubt a huge reason.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He went 2-14 in 2007 and 1-14 in 2008 in the playoffs with 8 strikeouts so he was no doubt a huge reason.

 

If he had gone 4-for-14, those 6 games they lost by a combined total of 24 runs would have completely flipped.

[ARCubsFan]

He went 2-14 in 2007 and 1-14 in 2008 in the playoffs with 8 strikeouts so he was no doubt a huge reason.

 

If he had gone 4-for-14, those 6 games they lost by a combined total of 24 runs would have completely flipped.

It's not 100% his fault obviously but the Cubs splurged and gave him 8 years and that money to win a World Series. And they ended up with 0 playoff wins.

[RammyFanny]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

 

what an awful post. as though he was somehow singularly responsible for their playoff fates (or lack thereof).

 

and it was far from one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years unless your list is like a million guys (that's hyperbole) long

He went 2-14 in 2007 and 1-14 in 2008 in the playoffs with 8 strikeouts so he was no doubt a huge reason.

 

You reduce him to a 14 AB sample size after the dude just put up a 6.7 WAR season to get us there?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And they ended up with 0 playoff wins.

 

But he was setting them up to win in the future. You just aren't looking at the big picture.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Thompson, the only guy ranked, was 49 in BA's midseason top 50.

 

For reference, Gleyber Torres was 28 and Billy McKinney was 30.

 

Cubs could have beat this without giving up any core future guys, which is pretty disappointing to me.

 

In terms of pre-season:

 

Thompson BA #43, BP #47

Alfaro BA #67, BP #31

Williams BP #71

 

And Matt Harrison was pretty damn good before he got hurt. That was 3 years ago, but he's still 29. But damn, that contract sucks.

 

The other 2 seem like decent enough 5-6 pieces. Nothing special, but both have been well below the age differential at every level they've pitched.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Oh come on, I liked Alfonso but that contract was one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years no doubt. And it got the Cubs a grand total of 0 playoff wins.

 

what an awful post. as though he was somehow singularly responsible for their playoff fates (or lack thereof).

 

and it was far from one of the worst contracts in the last 15 years unless your list is like a million guys (that's hyperbole) long

 

Every thread spirals off into this kinda thing. They're never going to understand.

 

'Nuff.

[Bull]

Nothing about this team screams "playoffs!".

 

How about the 4th best starting pitching in baseball?

the 4th worst offense in baseball effectively cancels this out

 

clearly it hasn't

 

also, the cubs are FIFTEENTH in position player WAR, so despite their offensive badness, the other part of the team hasn't been an unmitigated disaster

Except that the defensive part of that position player war is accounted for in that "4th best pitching (unless he's using FIP).

Not that I agree with him, but it's a thing.

[kente777]

i always love when mojo starts spazzing out because we can't have one of the like 10 players he knows

 

Where am I spazzing out? All I want them to do is to improve their chances this season because they're a competitive team and it irks me when Cubs fans act like they shouldn't bother because the offense has struggled. The FO has assured us they'd make those type of moves when they were competitive, so it's hardly an unrealistic expectation.

 

Last time I checked, the trade deadline doesn't end till tomorrow.

[jersey cubs fan]

i always love when mojo starts spazzing out because we can't have one of the like 10 players he knows

 

Where am I spazzing out? All I want them to do is to improve their chances this season because they're a competitive team and it irks me when Cubs fans act like they shouldn't bother because the offense has struggled. The FO has assured us they'd make those type of moves when they were competitive, so it's hardly an unrealistic expectation.

 

Last time I checked, the trade deadline doesn't end till tomorrow.

How does that change the point that [expletive] fans wanting the team to remain patient and not try to win are ridiculous?

[Sammy Sofa]

i always love when mojo starts spazzing out because we can't have one of the like 10 players he knows

 

Where am I spazzing out? All I want them to do is to improve their chances this season because they're a competitive team and it irks me when Cubs fans act like they shouldn't bother because the offense has struggled. The FO has assured us they'd make those type of moves when they were competitive, so it's hardly an unrealistic expectation.

 

Last time I checked, the trade deadline doesn't end till tomorrow.

 

I know, which is why I'm still hopeful they get something done. This was all in response to posters specifically saying they wouldn't mind or that they would even like if the FO didn't do anything.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think there's a decent chance that Theo really wants to make a run at Price in the offseason, and doesn't want to add too much payroll now.

 

Then [expletive] trade Hamels in the offseason. Surely putting all of our offseason eggs into the top pitcher on the market basket (while competing against a team who clearly wants him with endless pockets) would never fail.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think there's a decent chance that Theo really wants to make a run at Price in the offseason, and doesn't want to add too much payroll now.

 

Then [expletive] trade Hamels in the offseason. Surely putting all of our offseason eggs into the top pitcher on the market basket (while competing against a team who clearly wants him with endless pockets) would never fail.

 

That's too Billy Beane, man.

[SouthSideRyan]

You pay the extra money to keep your farm system in tact. It's a good trade off.

 

One of the main reasons in having a good farm system is to have assets for trades, especially impact moves. Nobody gets anything extra for hording their [expletive] prospects.

Not saying you have to keep them all, next trade deadline when the Cubs are hopefully contending, we'll have the pieces to go out and improve the team and fill needs.

 

there's a handful of guys that will have to be exposed to the rule 5 after this year

 

i don't know all of them or really how it works, i just know that part

 

Anybody we wouldn't roster wouldn't be worth anything in a trade.