2014 NBA Offseason Thread

[Ryne Ween]

Did I read that pos accurate and that Orlando offered afflalo 4 and 12 for 1? The cabs would be idiotic to not take that.

 

At this point the Bulls should go hard for afflalo.

[Cubswin11]

Did I read that pos accurate and that Orlando offered afflalo 4 and 12 for 1? The cabs would be idiotic to not take that.

 

At this point the Bulls should go hard for afflalo.

Yeah, I saw that too. Really dumb if they didn't take that/it's true. I also saw that Orlando offered the same to Milwaukee for #2, I think it possibly involved Milwaukee sending like John Henson or a 2nd round pick. Also dumb if true, that Milwaukee didn't accept.

[davell]

Houston got rid of Asik to the Pelicans for a future 1st(likely 2015)

[RynoRules]

Houston got rid of Asik to the Pelicans for a future 1st(likely 2015)

 

Clearing cap space for Melo. Nice pick-up for the Pelicans. Asik can take some pressure off Davis. If they had any shooters whatsoever they'd be a good team.

[Cubswin11]

Houston got rid of Asik to the Pelicans for a future 1st(likely 2015)

Pretty good trade for both teams. Step 1 for Houston to afford Melo or LBJ. Holiday/Gordon/Evans/Davis/Asik isn't a bad starting 5, too bad they are in the west though. That's definitely a playoff team in the East if they are healthy. Pelicans also have 9 and 24 in the draft this year, seems like they could use a shooter to that lineup. Add Stauskus, Harris, Dougie in and that could be a pretty good team.

Edited June 26, 2014 by Cubswin11

[RynoRules]

The Knicks-Mavs deal is complete

 

The deal sends Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas in exchange for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Shane Larkin, Wayne Ellington, picks Nos. 34 and 51 in Thursday’s draft

 

Maybe Larkin is with the Knicks when the season begins, but I'd guess that would be it.

[ChiCubsFan]

Seems like a pretty poor deal for the Pelicans to me. 1 year of Asik at 8.33M for a (likely) lottery pick? I haven't heard anything about protection on it, but seems like an overpay to me.

 

Edit: Just read it's top 4 or 20+ protected. So stupid. HOU had to move Asik. NO should have held out for lottery protection.

 

 

BTW, the NBA CBA and ability to create a "poison pill" are so asinine. Had we matched Asik's contract, he would have counted as a 14.8M cap hit for any team that would have traded for him from us right now. I thought the idea was to give an advantage to teams trying to keep their own players. Guess that only applies to the superstars of the league.

[WrigleyField 22]

Seems like a pretty poor deal for the Pelicans to me. 1 year of Asik at 8.33M for a (likely) lottery pick? I haven't heard anything about protection on it, but seems like an overpay to me.

 

Edit: Just read it's top 4 or 20+ protected. So stupid. HOU had to move Asik. NO should have held out for lottery protection.

 

 

BTW, the NBA CBA and ability to create a "poison pill" are so asinine. Had we matched Asik's contract, he would have counted as a 14.8M cap hit for any team that would have traded for him from us right now. I thought the idea was to give an advantage to teams trying to keep their own players. Guess that only applies to the superstars of the league.

It's a weird loop hole that's entirely related to the fact that we only signed him to a 2 year deal on his first contract, so we didn't get full bird rights. And the provision allows you to match anyways even though you wouldn't technically have the cap space or exceptions to do so. I think there would probably be better solutions though, like allow a QO system on the third year of any rookie deal, allowing a team to get that third year and bird rights. Then again, perhaps the Bulls should have pushed harder for that third year on the first contract.

 

 

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[ChiCubsFan]

Seems like a pretty poor deal for the Pelicans to me. 1 year of Asik at 8.33M for a (likely) lottery pick? I haven't heard anything about protection on it, but seems like an overpay to me.

 

Edit: Just read it's top 4 or 20+ protected. So stupid. HOU had to move Asik. NO should have held out for lottery protection.

 

 

BTW, the NBA CBA and ability to create a "poison pill" are so asinine. Had we matched Asik's contract, he would have counted as a 14.8M cap hit for any team that would have traded for him from us right now. I thought the idea was to give an advantage to teams trying to keep their own players. Guess that only applies to the superstars of the league.

It's a weird loop hole that's entirely related to the fact that we only signed him to a 2 year deal on his first contract, so we didn't get full bird rights. And the provision allows you to match anyways even though you wouldn't technically have the cap space or exceptions to do so. I think there would probably be better solutions though, like allow a QO system on the third year of any rookie deal, allowing a team to get that third year and bird rights. Then again, perhaps the Bulls should have pushed harder for that third year on the first contract.

 

 

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I'm talking specifically about how the cap hit counts one way for the signing team and another for the matching team. There's absolutely no reason to allow it to work like that. But agree, Bulls should have fought harder for a 3rd year. But all indications are that Asik really only wanted a 2 year deal so he could cash in on a larger payday sooner.

[CubColtPacer]

Seems like a pretty poor deal for the Pelicans to me. 1 year of Asik at 8.33M for a (likely) lottery pick? I haven't heard anything about protection on it, but seems like an overpay to me.

 

Edit: Just read it's top 4 or 20+ protected. So stupid. HOU had to move Asik. NO should have held out for lottery protection.

 

 

BTW, the NBA CBA and ability to create a "poison pill" are so asinine. Had we matched Asik's contract, he would have counted as a 14.8M cap hit for any team that would have traded for him from us right now. I thought the idea was to give an advantage to teams trying to keep their own players. Guess that only applies to the superstars of the league.

It's a weird loop hole that's entirely related to the fact that we only signed him to a 2 year deal on his first contract, so we didn't get full bird rights. And the provision allows you to match anyways even though you wouldn't technically have the cap space or exceptions to do so. I think there would probably be better solutions though, like allow a QO system on the third year of any rookie deal, allowing a team to get that third year and bird rights. Then again, perhaps the Bulls should have pushed harder for that third year on the first contract.

 

 

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I'm talking specifically about how the cap hit counts one way for the signing team and another for the matching team. There's absolutely no reason to allow it to work like that. But agree, Bulls should have fought harder for a 3rd year. But all indications are that Asik really only wanted a 2 year deal so he could cash in on a larger payday sooner.

 

How else would you structure it though? It's not fair to the Rockets to be forced to have 5/5/15 structure when they have cap space to sign him to a normal contract. The Bulls couldn't have a 8/8/8 structure without Bird rights.

 

It's a strange rule, but it's one the league specifically put in to help the team potentially losing the player. It was designed to help players stay with teams, while before they had no chance of staying.

[ChiCubsFan]

Seems like a pretty poor deal for the Pelicans to me. 1 year of Asik at 8.33M for a (likely) lottery pick? I haven't heard anything about protection on it, but seems like an overpay to me.

 

Edit: Just read it's top 4 or 20+ protected. So stupid. HOU had to move Asik. NO should have held out for lottery protection.

 

 

BTW, the NBA CBA and ability to create a "poison pill" are so asinine. Had we matched Asik's contract, he would have counted as a 14.8M cap hit for any team that would have traded for him from us right now. I thought the idea was to give an advantage to teams trying to keep their own players. Guess that only applies to the superstars of the league.

It's a weird loop hole that's entirely related to the fact that we only signed him to a 2 year deal on his first contract, so we didn't get full bird rights. And the provision allows you to match anyways even though you wouldn't technically have the cap space or exceptions to do so. I think there would probably be better solutions though, like allow a QO system on the third year of any rookie deal, allowing a team to get that third year and bird rights. Then again, perhaps the Bulls should have pushed harder for that third year on the first contract.

 

 

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I'm talking specifically about how the cap hit counts one way for the signing team and another for the matching team. There's absolutely no reason to allow it to work like that. But agree, Bulls should have fought harder for a 3rd year. But all indications are that Asik really only wanted a 2 year deal so he could cash in on a larger payday sooner.

 

How else would you structure it though? It's not fair to the Rockets to be forced to have 5/5/15 structure when they have cap space to sign him to a normal contract. The Bulls couldn't have a 8/8/8 structure without Bird rights.

 

It's a strange rule, but it's one the league specifically put in to help the team potentially losing the player. It was designed to help players stay with teams, while before they had no chance of staying.

 

I guess I feel that teams drafting and bringing these international guys over should automatically get bird rights, even if they only sign a 2 year deal.

 

Also it's dumb that the signing team has to only be able to fit the average value of the contract under the cap, despite backloading it in the 3rd and/or 4th year. I don't know, just seems less than ideal.

[WrigleyField 22]

Seems like a pretty poor deal for the Pelicans to me. 1 year of Asik at 8.33M for a (likely) lottery pick? I haven't heard anything about protection on it, but seems like an overpay to me.

 

Edit: Just read it's top 4 or 20+ protected. So stupid. HOU had to move Asik. NO should have held out for lottery protection.

 

 

BTW, the NBA CBA and ability to create a "poison pill" are so asinine. Had we matched Asik's contract, he would have counted as a 14.8M cap hit for any team that would have traded for him from us right now. I thought the idea was to give an advantage to teams trying to keep their own players. Guess that only applies to the superstars of the league.

It's a weird loop hole that's entirely related to the fact that we only signed him to a 2 year deal on his first contract, so we didn't get full bird rights. And the provision allows you to match anyways even though you wouldn't technically have the cap space or exceptions to do so. I think there would probably be better solutions though, like allow a QO system on the third year of any rookie deal, allowing a team to get that third year and bird rights. Then again, perhaps the Bulls should have pushed harder for that third year on the first contract.

 

 

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I'm talking specifically about how the cap hit counts one way for the signing team and another for the matching team. There's absolutely no reason to allow it to work like that. But agree, Bulls should have fought harder for a 3rd year. But all indications are that Asik really only wanted a 2 year deal so he could cash in on a larger payday sooner.

 

How else would you structure it though? It's not fair to the Rockets to be forced to have 5/5/15 structure when they have cap space to sign him to a normal contract. The Bulls couldn't have a 8/8/8 structure without Bird rights.

 

It's a strange rule, but it's one the league specifically put in to help the team potentially losing the player. It was designed to help players stay with teams, while before they had no chance of staying.

 

I guess I feel that teams drafting and bringing these international guys over should automatically get bird rights, even if they only sign a 2 year deal.

 

Also it's dumb that the signing team has to only be able to fit the average value of the contract under the cap, despite backloading it in the 3rd and/or 4th year. I don't know, just seems less than ideal.

But the only reason it's backloaded is to accommodate the original team. You can't just choose to backload a contract like that.

 

And there's definite logic in the 3 year rule for bird rights.

 

It's be nice like you said if there was just an exception to allow bird rights on rookie players even if they only signed a two year deal, but the current set up is an immense improvement over before.

 

NBA salary cap is whack all around though and the NFL and NHL have much better cap systems.

 

Just make a hard cap around the current apron level and be done with the soft cap experiment.

 

 

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[davell]

WTF? That's all it took for Afflalo?

[Cubswin11]

Seriously, what the hell is that trade, Orlando?

[Banedon]

WTF? That's all it took for Afflalo?

 

Wow that...isn't a good deal for Orlando.

[rawaction]

I would have traded the 1st round pick and some player I've never heard of for Affalo.

[davell]

Bosh AND Wade opt out.

[Rex Buckingham]

Bosh AND Wade opt out.

 

It would seem to me then that Lebron is going to come back too and they will all restructure to get another good player or two... Haslem, opted out too

[Andy]

Carmelo going to Miami at this point would be the greatest troll move by the Heat in the history of the league.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think this is for Melo. More Lowry , Gortat

 

 

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[rawaction]

Heat current roster:

 

G Norris Cole

[Cubswin11]

I want to know what kind of under the table deal they struck with Haslem for opting out, he was due $3-4 million. There's a decent chance he isn't even signed by a team this offseason, let alone touches anywhere near that on a new deal.

[RynoRules]

Riley offered Udonis his (Riley's) niece. Sort of a Game of Thrones type deal.

 

I could totally see Riley as Tywin Lanister, by the way.

[Ryne Ween]

I'm very curious to see how muh of a pay cut miamis big 3 take. I could see them taking 2 year 20 mil deals and have a ton of cap space. Though wade would be nuts to take a two year deal. Very curious to see what they do.

[davell]

Bosh is looking for 15-16 per and Lebron is wanting a max.