2014 Bulls Offseason Thread

[Banedon]

Aggrey Sam is no longer on te bulls beat for CSN I guess. I wonder if he got fired for some reason.

 

Per his twitter, Sunday was his last day at CSN. He said he chose to move on and will be moving to Oakland.

[wolf stansson]

Oh come, on he's totally a creepy weirdo

He is but Hansbrough is weirder.

Edited October 1, 2014 by wolf stansson

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh come, on he's totally a creepy weirdo

He's is but Hansbrough is weirder.

 

Again, he's a white guy over 6'6" He's weird by definition.

[apete6]

Paraphrasing, but it seems like Thibs is up to his old tricks, says it's basically impossible for a contending team to have 2 rookies in the rotation (so, see ya to McDermott or Mirotic) and that he hasn't been impressed with Snell. So, basically another year of a 7 or 8 man rotation ending in everyone being injured at the end of the season.

 

If anyone could have his eyes opened that bench guys will be fine with a few more minutes and starters with a few less, you would think it would be the guy who rode CJ Watson, Nate Robinson, Mike James, and DJ Augustin to top-4 eastern conference seeds the past few years. Christ.

[Guest]

That was yesterday.

 

Today he said he was impressed with Mirotić:

 

@KCJHoop: Bulls scrimmaged again today. No issues for Noah. Thibodeau with high praise for Mirotic.

[Guest]

Paraphrasing, but it seems like Thibs is up to his old tricks, says it's basically impossible for a contending team to have 2 rookies in the rotation (so, see ya to McDermott or Mirotic) and that he hasn't been impressed with Snell. So, basically another year of a 7 or 8 man rotation ending in everyone being injured at the end of the season.

 

If anyone could have his eyes opened that bench guys will be fine with a few more minutes and starters with a few less, you would think it would be the guy who rode CJ Watson, Nate Robinson, Mike James, and DJ Augustin to top-4 eastern conference seeds the past few years. Christ.

 

I think Mirotic might have to work his way in to that big rotation (the positive comments today are a good sign) but I expect McDermott to be in the rotation pretty much immediately.

[apete6]

Paraphrasing, but it seems like Thibs is up to his old tricks, says it's basically impossible for a contending team to have 2 rookies in the rotation (so, see ya to McDermott or Mirotic) and that he hasn't been impressed with Snell. So, basically another year of a 7 or 8 man rotation ending in everyone being injured at the end of the season.

 

If anyone could have his eyes opened that bench guys will be fine with a few more minutes and starters with a few less, you would think it would be the guy who rode CJ Watson, Nate Robinson, Mike James, and DJ Augustin to top-4 eastern conference seeds the past few years. Christ.

 

I think Mirotic might have to work his way in to that big rotation (the positive comments today are a good sign) but I expect McDermott to be in the rotation pretty much immediately.

 

I expect him to be critical and make them work, etc. But I also know that I'd rather have him immediately have the chance with 15 minutes/game from the get-go rather than pushing Joakim, Pau, and Taj for 30+ minutes each right out of the gate.

 

A nice distribution in minutes would be something like:

 

C/PF (96 minutes/game)

Noah 30

Taj 30

Pau 25

Mirotic 10

Nazr/Bairstow 1-garbage time

 

SF/SG (96 mins)

Butler 35

Dunleavy 25

McDermott 15

Snell 10

Hinrich 10

Moore 1-garbage time

 

PG (48)

Rose 30

Brooks 8-10

Hinrich 8-10

[SpongeWorthy]

I think Thibs is of the mind that if Rose is healthy enough to play 30 minutes a game he's healthy enough to play 35+.

[apete6]

I think Thibs is of the mind that if Rose is healthy enough to play 30 minutes a game he's healthy enough to play 35+.

 

That's the problem. Or at least could be the problem.

[Ryne Ween]

Not the minutes stuff again.

[Ryne Ween]

Noah needs to play 35-37 mpg like any other star player in his prime. Not sure why we would want Noah to play 6 less minutes than every single one of his peers. As always with Thibs, if guys play well they will earn a spot in the rotation. Jimmy Butler earned his way in by doing the things Thibs wanted. If Nikola can play, he will play.

 

The Thibs minutes thing is manufactured. The minutes thing in general is manufactured. There is no objective data that suggests playing 3-4 more minutes during games enhances the chance of injury. So please just stop it.

[Derwood]

Injury? Maybe not. Tired ass players come playoff time? Very likely

[apete6]

Injury? Maybe not. Tired ass players come playoff time? Very likely

 

Yeah. When Gregg Popovich straight up benches 1/2 of his team a handful of times per year on back to backs, I would trust that it does matter. Heat rested Wade, what, 20 games last year? It matters. Not for injury, for rest.

[Ryne Ween]

1) the spurs have had a deeper more complete roster than thibs bulls since the Rose MVP season. 2) the spurs core is aged 32, 37 and 38 Kwaii Leonard notwithstanding. When Duncan was Noah's age he played as many minutes as Noah.

[Ryne Ween]

Jimmy butler is the only guy who needs to play less and that's because he's on offensive liability at a wing position for 40 minutes a night.

[mul21]

1) the spurs have had a deeper more complete roster than thibs bulls since the Rose MVP season. 2) the spurs core is aged 32, 37 and 38 Kwaii Leonard notwithstanding. When Duncan was Noah's age he played as many minutes as Noah.

 

He also didn't have a history of debilitating plantar fasciitis like Noah that I can say, speaking from experience, does in fact get irritated with more stress put on it. Between that and the deep front court they'll have, there's zero reason to play Noah more than 30-32 minutes a game.

[Ryne Ween]

1) the spurs have had a deeper more complete roster than thibs bulls since the Rose MVP season. 2) the spurs core is aged 32, 37 and 38 Kwaii Leonard notwithstanding. When Duncan was Noah's age he played as many minutes as Noah.

 

He also didn't have a history of debilitating plantar fasciitis like Noah that I can say, speaking from experience, does in fact get irritated with more stress put on it. Between that and the deep front court they'll have, there's zero reason to play Noah more than 30-32 minutes a game.

 

Aren't all the doctors saying plantar faciatis comes and goes regardless of stress? Even so do you think 3 minutes on the court makes a difference? If it does than limit what he does in practice.

[mul21]

1) the spurs have had a deeper more complete roster than thibs bulls since the Rose MVP season. 2) the spurs core is aged 32, 37 and 38 Kwaii Leonard notwithstanding. When Duncan was Noah's age he played as many minutes as Noah.

 

He also didn't have a history of debilitating plantar fasciitis like Noah that I can say, speaking from experience, does in fact get irritated with more stress put on it. Between that and the deep front court they'll have, there's zero reason to play Noah more than 30-32 minutes a game.

 

Aren't all the doctors saying plantar faciatis comes and goes regardless of stress? Even so do you think 3 minutes on the court makes a difference? If it does than limit what he does in practice.

 

No, individually 3-5 minutes a game won't make a difference, but you add that up over 82 games and it's 240-400 minutes, or like playing an additional 8-12 games, and yes, that does make a difference. Doctors who haven't had PF can go jump in a lake. Mine acts up much worse when I'm running 50 miles a week than it does when I'm running 30 miles a week.

[abohnhoff]

 

C/PF (96 minutes/game)

Noah 30

Taj 30

Pau 25

Mirotic 10

Nazr/Bairstow 1-garbage time

 

SF/SG (96 mins)

Butler 35

Dunleavy 25

McDermott 15

Snell 10

Hinrich 10

Moore 1-garbage time

 

PG (48)

Rose 30

Brooks 8-10

Hinrich 8-10

 

Ya no way a healthy Noah is only playing 30 minutes per game. Butler at 35 is even a little low. I can see Rose starting out around 30 mpg, but if hes healthy a month or 2 into the season it will be more like 38-40.

[WrigleyField 22]

1) the spurs have had a deeper more complete roster than thibs bulls since the Rose MVP season. 2) the spurs core is aged 32, 37 and 38 Kwaii Leonard notwithstanding. When Duncan was Noah's age he played as many minutes as Noah.

 

He also didn't have a history of debilitating plantar fasciitis like Noah that I can say, speaking from experience, does in fact get irritated with more stress put on it. Between that and the deep front court they'll have, there's zero reason to play Noah more than 30-32 minutes a game.

 

Aren't all the doctors saying plantar faciatis comes and goes regardless of stress? Even so do you think 3 minutes on the court makes a difference? If it does than limit what he does in practice.

 

No, individually 3-5 minutes a game won't make a difference, but you add that up over 82 games and it's 240-400 minutes, or like playing an additional 8-12 games, and yes, that does make a difference. Doctors who haven't had PF can go jump in a lake. Mine acts up much worse when I'm running 50 miles a week than it does when I'm running 30 miles a week.

Are your sure your personal experience is typical of all PF?

 

It seems ditching those French shoes and being proactive about foot care really helped Noah's PF last year.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Also if you're going to throw out a MPG projection your best bet is to go over at least 5% due to injuries and DNP to give you something that is actually comparable for reference purposes.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Rose looking pretty good early.

[scarey]

I was hoping McDermott would be more solid on defense than he's shown so far.

 

Mirotic has looked good on defense. He moves extremely well for a big man. Whenever I saw him when he played for Real Madrid, he didn't look like he had a ton of burst. I wonder if Thibs picked up his pace. My only complaint early on is his picks are extremely lazy.

[Brian]

ahahahaha at Jimmy Butlers rejection there

[UMFan83]

Rose looking pretty good early.

 

He looked really good. Hit a 3, got into the lane multiple times and finished. Not bad.