Samardzija trade rumors

[Sammy Sofa]

This seems like a tremendously depressing storyline.

 

yeah, if we're getting an A-ball guy i'd rather just hold onto him on the off-chance we accidentally re-sign him or someone offers something better down the line. doubly so if we're going to stupidly try to limit ourselves to the teams that happen to have catcher prospects.

 

Yeah, though one of the most depressing parts seems to be that Samardzija simply wants out no matter what because he recognizes the Everlasting Turd surrounding him.

[treebird]

This seems like a tremendously depressing storyline.

 

yeah, if we're getting an A-ball guy i'd rather just hold onto him on the off-chance we accidentally re-sign him or someone offers something better down the line. doubly so if we're going to stupidly try to limit ourselves to the teams that happen to have catcher prospects.

 

Yeah, though one of the most depressing parts seems to be that Samardzija simply wants out no matter what because he recognizes the Everlasting Turd surrounding him.

 

that's a very good point. he has a lot of reason to want out unless we not only pay properly but overpay, and that's unquestionably his right. he's given us the best years of his career and we've done [expletive] all with them. hopefully if that is the case, the front office recognizes it and ignores everything i've posted in this thread and trades him at the earliest opportunity.

[XZero771679666304]

This seems like a tremendously depressing storyline.

 

yeah, if we're getting an A-ball guy i'd rather just hold onto him on the off-chance we accidentally re-sign him or someone offers something better down the line. doubly so if we're going to stupidly try to limit ourselves to the teams that happen to have catcher prospects.

 

Yeah, though one of the most depressing parts seems to be that Samardzija simply wants out no matter what because he recognizes the Everlasting Turd surrounding him.

 

that's a very good point. he has a lot of reason to want out unless we not only pay properly but overpay, and that's unquestionably his right. he's given us the best years of his career and we've done [expletive] all with them. hopefully if that is the case, the front office recognizes it and ignores everything i've posted in this thread and trades him at the earliest opportunity.

 

I have to imagine that if a player wants out (or at least has no intention of staying), that sentiment is communicated to the FO clearly by either the player or his agent. If Shark feels that way (and I fear that he does) and they know it, I would hope they're making a lot of phone calls.

Edited April 20, 2014 by XZero77

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well, if Samardzija had made up his mind that he wanted out, what would it look like?

 

They'd probably put on a public face about how an extension was still possible, but there wouldn't really be any specific rumors leaking out about the sides negotiating or getting closer.

 

They'd probably try to maintain a public face that he might not be traded, but all the beat writers would be convinced he's going and that's what all the rumors would say.

 

So basically, what's happening now.

[SouthSideRyan]

It will be further away guys. They aren't looking at or getting near mlb ready arms for him. They are also targeting a catcher if possible.

 

Makes sense, Castillo will be pretty expensive by time we start trying.

[A New Era]

So that would probably rule out someone like Stroman? Who are some teams that have a couple of elite but young guys. Can someone brainstorm a possible package with guys like that?

[jersey cubs fan]

But with the players we have right now in the system and the organizational philosophy in place, aiming for 2016 or 2017 is the right move. s.

The stupidity of the philosophy does not make the implementation of that philosophy the right move.

Edited April 20, 2014 by jersey cubs fan

[Guest]

If Samardzija could be had for far off lottery tickets like Glasnow, Mondesi, or Tirado, then he would've been traded last year at the deadline. Or during the offseason. Like Kyle points out it is a bit more difficult to get quality guys close to MLB ready(although there is still a decided difference, especially if Shark continues his 5-6 win pace), but that's a large reason why Samardzija hasn't been traded yet. Stuff like Glasnow & Kingham, Almonte & Mondesi, it's simply not good enough. This year has been an especially stark reminder of pitcher volatility, they aren't going to trade Shark and have the best pieces be 2+ years away, it's illogical for all but the most ridiculous conspiracies about 'the plan'.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This year has been an especially stark reminder of pitcher volatility, they aren't going to trade Shark and have the best pieces be 2+ years away, it's illogical for all but the most ridiculous conspiracies about 'the plan'.

 

Can we agree that the decision on whether trade Samardzija and the return will be a pretty strong indicator of the direction the team intends to go in the next year or two?

[Sammy Sofa]

. But with the players we have right now in the system and the organizational philosophy in place, aiming for 2016 or 2017 is the right move. s.

The stupidity of the philosophy does not make the implementation of that philosophy the right move.

 

Dammit, don't make it look like that that's my quote.

[Guest]

This year has been an especially stark reminder of pitcher volatility, they aren't going to trade Shark and have the best pieces be 2+ years away, it's illogical for all but the most ridiculous conspiracies about 'the plan'.

 

Can we agree that the decision on whether trade Samardzija and the return will be a pretty strong indicator of the direction the team intends to go in the next year or two?

 

Probably. There's ways they could trade Samardzija for far away guys and still have it make some sense, but it would require a combination of things that aren't very likely.

[Guest]

Sure, I'd be fine with it. But with Paxton looking as good as he has in the majors, I can't see Seattle dealing him. Same with KC and Ventura.

 

Unless a guy struggles at the outset in the majors, I guess I just doubt he gets dealt in today's game. Years of control, salary, etc.

 

FWIW, I think Seattle could be a team that makes a move like this. Their GM is under fire, they dropped big money on Cano on the promises of competition, and their pitching prospects have nearly been TINSTAPP'd into oblivion. If there was a team that was going to make a move forgoing the uncertain future for a temporary upgrade, it'd be the Mariners. The biggest issue I see is that outside of their trio of big pitching prospects, they don't match up with the Cubs' needs all that well. Paxton, Hultzen, and a good 3rd piece would work; Ackley is the dream for that 3rd piece but with how the season started that definitely seems like a dream. Maybe if they liked Lake too so it didn't seem like mortgaging the future so much? It's too bad their OF situation is nearly as dire as ours is.

[Boris]

Lucas Giolito or bust?

[Guest]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

[NOLA]

Seriously, would other teams see value in Lake? Wouldn't even Barney have more value as another piece than him?

[Sammy Sofa]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I didn't assume anything; he didn't really add anything new to make this depressing that they're not likely to extend him and it seems like they haven't had anything really great offered for him so far.

[Guest]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I don't think anyone is, actually.

[Guest]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I don't think anyone is, actually.

 

It just seems like people took the "they're targeting far away pitchers" (and i think even the catchers thing was mentioned) idea from a troll pretending to have sources and ran with it. I was expecting it to just go ignored.

[davell]

Hultzen is missing all of 2014 after shoulder surgery. He's a throw in basically. And Seattle is basically stuck trying to rehab him and build some semblance of value back.

 

TT, you're right though-If anyone were to make that type of trade, it'd be Jack Z. Victor Sanchez would be my preferred 2nd piece(that's realistic anyway). But their handling of him has been pitiful too, since he's 19 and in AA. Without the crazy stuff a 19 year old already in AA should have.

 

If Shark can come close to continuing his current pace though-If it were me, I wouldn't settle for anything less than a top 40ish pitching prospect(with TOR potential)a top 100 pitching prospect, a borderline top 100 hitter(preferably a C) and a top 10 org guy as well. Or the equivalent in young major league talent. If no one is willing to offer that, then just bite the bullet and re-sign him.

[Guest]

So my internet/laptop is doing this really weird thing where NSBB is literally the only website that will load right now. WTF?

 

It loads pages off this site no problem. Can't even get another site to open though. This would be a genius idea to improve traffic.

[davell]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I'm almost positive we all laughed when he first posted. I think we all assume its a joke account.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I'm not.

 

But I think what he says makes the most sense, and I thought it before he said it.

 

We don't look competitive for 2015, we don't look like there's a serious chance of keeping Samardzija, and we're not getting high-end, near-ready talent for him. And I doubt we'd take lesser talent just for the sake of it being near-ready. The most logical assumption is that we're sending him out for high-impact, further away pitching prospects.

 

Betting on this front office to aim for competitiveness later rather than sooner has never been the popular bet, but it keeps being the right one. And given the exact state of our roster right now, I can't say that I blame them. Well, I mean, I blame them for the roster not being that great, but I understand why they might say the roster isn't that great so we're not ready yet.

[KingCubsFan]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I don't think anyone is, actually.

 

It just seems like people took the "they're targeting far away pitchers" (and i think even the catchers thing was mentioned) idea from a troll pretending to have sources and ran with it. I was expecting it to just go ignored.

He didn't indicate he had any sources. He just said something that seems pretty logical.

[Guest]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I don't think anyone is, actually.

 

It just seems like people took the "they're targeting far away pitchers" (and i think even the catchers thing was mentioned) idea from a troll pretending to have sources and ran with it. I was expecting it to just go ignored.

He didn't indicate he had any sources. He just said something that seems pretty logical.

Are you aware of who psd marlin bystro is?

[KingCubsFan]

Why is everyone assuming that's the real Marlin Bystro? I was assuming he's not, if anything.

 

I don't think anyone is, actually.

 

It just seems like people took the "they're targeting far away pitchers" (and i think even the catchers thing was mentioned) idea from a troll pretending to have sources and ran with it. I was expecting it to just go ignored.

He didn't indicate he had any sources. He just said something that seems pretty logical.

Are you aware of who psd marlin bystro is?

Yeah, some random guy who claims to be an insider.