NFL coaching carousel/NFL Offseason thread

[Cubswin11]

Looks like Incognito will sign with a team this week, NFL cleared him.

[NOLA]

Looks like Incognito will sign with a team this week, NFL cleared him.

Saying Tampa on the radio here.

[Banedon]

Cris Collinsworth bought part of PFF.

 

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/25/seattle-seahawks-repeat-super-bowl-prediction/4/

[jersey cubs fan]

You could have shown us that without linking to Peter King.

[Banedon]

You could have shown us that without linking to Peter King.

 

Heh, I suppose so.

[Banedon]

The Patriots are trading Logan Mankins to the Bucs for a pick and TE Tim Wright

[Banedon]

Sounds like Josh Gordon's suspension is being upheld.

[Derwood]

Sounds like Josh Gordon's suspension is being upheld.

 

Took them long enough. If I were the Browns, I'd be pissed at how long this took

[dawson1989]

Sounds like Josh Gordon's suspension is being upheld.

 

Took them long enough. If I were the Browns, I'd be pissed at how long this took

 

There are a few the NFL has dragged out and it is [expletive].

[Careless]

Let me tell you something about coach Fisher: He's engaged. He's coaching football. I love it. And all head coaches coach, and all coaches are engaged

[RynoRules]

Let me tell you something about coach Fisher: He's engaged. He's coaching football. I love it. And all head coaches coach, and all coaches are engaged

 

Jesus, that is some fascinating logic.

 

Michael Sam released; St Louis says they want him on the practice squad.

[Banedon]

http://i.imgur.com/5UNoLx1.png

[Derwood]

I hope another team claims Sam. I'd like to see him make a roster

[Guest]

I hope another team claims Sam. I'd like to see him make a roster

If the bears weren't so overloaded at DE, I'd say sign him. He looked good in the preseason, plus he seems like real good interview.

 

If nothing else SEC Network should look into bringing him in as an analyst.

[NOLA]

I hope another team claims Sam. I'd like to see him make a roster

If the bears weren't so overloaded at DE, I'd say sign him. He looked good in the preseason, plus he seems like real good interview.

 

If nothing else SEC Network should look into bringing him in as an analyst.

Are you suggesting that Booger McFarland was not insightful this past weekend?

[Guest]

I hope another team claims Sam. I'd like to see him make a roster

If the bears weren't so overloaded at DE, I'd say sign him. He looked good in the preseason, plus he seems like real good interview.

 

If nothing else SEC Network should look into bringing him in as an analyst.

Are you suggesting that Booger McFarland was not insightful this past weekend?

They would have to give him a colorful name.

[dew1679666265]

The Chiefs paid Alex Smith more than $10 million per year to do what any number of cheaper QBs out there could do. Seems smart.

 

The Kansas City Chiefs have signed Alex Smith to an extension that will keep him as their quarterback for the long term.

 

The Chiefs announced the deal but didn't disclose terms, although a source said the contract covers four seasons. ESPN and various media reports have the extension worth about $68 million.

 

Guaranteed amount: 4 years/$45 mil

[dawson1989]

The Chiefs paid Alex Smith more than $10 million per year to do what any number of cheaper QBs out there could do. Seems smart.

 

The Kansas City Chiefs have signed Alex Smith to an extension that will keep him as their quarterback for the long term.

 

The Chiefs announced the deal but didn't disclose terms, although a source said the contract covers four seasons. ESPN and various media reports have the extension worth about $68 million.

 

Guaranteed amount: 4 years/$45 mil

 

What QB's "out there" could amass 435 yards and 4 TD's in a postseason game? Are there QB's better? Duh, but they aren't available. Smith is an above average QB. Great at limiting mistakes and capable of making a big play when needed. Not a 5,000 yard guy, but he is great for the type of team KC is.

[dew1679666265]

What QB's "out there" could amass 435 yards and 4 TD's in a postseason game? Are there QB's better? Duh, but they aren't available. Smith is an above average QB. Great at limiting mistakes and capable of making a big play when needed. Not a 5,000 yard guy, but he is great for the type of team KC is.

 

That was a very good game against a poor defense and in 46 attempts, but it was still just one game. He's also had playoff games where he's missed 60% completion and even 50% completion.

 

He's a game manager who won't do anything particularly well except avoid mistakes (since 2011, prior to that he was a mistake machine). The problem is, you don't have to pay a guy $10+ per year to achieve that.

 

Any way you slice it pretty much, he's now being paid like a top 10 QB and, like you said, he's nothing more than an above average starter and that's with an elite running game (gotta question how long Charles will keep this up). It's not some terrible, crippling contract, but there are better ways to spend that money than to lock up a QB who's really nothing special.

[Guest]

Smith is more talented than the average game manager archetype, and there are dire consequences to roaming the QB wilderness. It's not hyper-efficient or ideal, but it's something you have to do if you intend on being competitive in the short term(which is the only term in the NFL).

[mul21]

What QB's "out there" could amass 435 yards and 4 TD's in a postseason game? Are there QB's better? Duh, but they aren't available. Smith is an above average QB. Great at limiting mistakes and capable of making a big play when needed. Not a 5,000 yard guy, but he is great for the type of team KC is.

 

That was a very good game against a poor defense and in 46 attempts, but it was still just one game. He's also had playoff games where he's missed 60% completion and even 50% completion.

 

He's a game manager who won't do anything particularly well except avoid mistakes (since 2011, prior to that he was a mistake machine). The problem is, you don't have to pay a guy $10+ per year to achieve that.

 

Any way you slice it pretty much, he's now being paid like a top 10 QB and, like you said, he's nothing more than an above average starter and that's with an elite running game (gotta question how long Charles will keep this up). It's not some terrible, crippling contract, but there are better ways to spend that money than to lock up a QB who's really nothing special.

 

Anybody equivalent or better is going to cost as much or more and if you take a guy in the draft, you're pretty much eliminated the win now mode they're in. I don't see any issue making that move whatsoever.

[dew1679666265]

What QB's "out there" could amass 435 yards and 4 TD's in a postseason game?

 

Tim Tebow had 366 and 3 TDs. You can't evaluate a QB off postseason success because it's so limited. That's why the Ravens are having to deal with paying Joe Flacco way too much money to be mediocre.

[dew1679666265]

Smith is more talented than the average game manager archetype, and there are dire consequences to roaming the QB wilderness. It's not hyper-efficient or ideal, but it's something you have to do if you intend on being competitive in the short term(which is the only term in the NFL).

 

I have no problem resigning him, but guaranteeing him $45 million over 4 years is too much. They've had 2 years to find a contingency plan for him and (so far) failed, thus necessitating something like this that's probably going to bite them once Charles tails off and they have to put everything on Smith or make him a very expensive backup.

[dew1679666265]

Anybody equivalent or better is going to cost as much or more and if you take a guy in the draft, you're pretty much eliminated the win now mode they're in. I don't see any issue making that move whatsoever.

 

You can win now with a rookie if need be, or they should have gone for a QB early last year (Garroppolo would have been a very good pick, for instance) and had a year to develop him. It may be a move they had to make because they've not addressed QB seriously, but it's not a good move.

[dew1679666265]

For reference, Smith is ranked 20th in DYAR and 21st in DVOA by Football Outsiders.

 

The only current starting QBs behind him: Cassel, Locker (ouch), Tannehill, Hoyer, RG3 (kinda surprising), Henne, Manuel, Flacco, Eli, Geno. Three of those QBs will no longer be starters this time next year I'd project (Locker for Mettenberger, Cassel for Bridgewater and Henne for Bortles) and 3 are very young with room for improvement (RG3, Manuel, Geno).