College Football - Bowl Games

[Derwood]

Derwood just discovered Key & Peele.

 

nah, you just can't post it enough

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Sumlin gets $5m? If they ever make like an actual BCS game... boy Katie bar the door.

[Ryne Ween]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

[NOLA]

Sumlin gets $5m? If they ever make like an actual BCS game... boy Katie bar the door.

 

Seriously. I do think he's a very good coach, but let's see how he does without Johnny Football before he is considered coaching elite.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

 

A Big 12 team like them would be lucky to win 1 game in the SEC!

[NOLA]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

Fire, meet gasoline.

[Andy]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

That's a silly thing to claim. For one thing if A&M was in the Big 12 last year they'd have had to trade out one of their tomato can victories out of conference for an actual opponent. To say nothing of all the other variables.

[NOLA]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

That's a silly thing to claim. For one thing if A&M was in the Big 12 last year they'd have had to trade out one of their tomato can victories out of conference for an actual opponent. To say nothing of all the other variables.

You mean these teams?

Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe (twice), Tulsa, and yes, Notre Dame? Those are the nonconference opponents for this year's Big 12 BCS teams.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

That's a silly thing to claim. For one thing if A&M was in the Big 12 last year they'd have had to trade out one of their tomato can victories out of conference for an actual opponent. To say nothing of all the other variables.

You mean these teams?

Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe (twice), Tulsa, and yes, Notre Dame? Those are the nonconference opponents for this year's Big 12 BCS teams.

 

I believe his point is the SEC has 8 conference games to the Big 12's 9.

[NOLA]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

That's a silly thing to claim. For one thing if A&M was in the Big 12 last year they'd have had to trade out one of their tomato can victories out of conference for an actual opponent. To say nothing of all the other variables.

You mean these teams?

Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe (twice), Tulsa, and yes, Notre Dame? Those are the nonconference opponents for this year's Big 12 BCS teams.

 

I believe his point is the SEC has 8 conference games to the Big 12's 9.

I actually didn't catch that. Gotcha.

But still, it follows this maddening narrative that the SEC is the only place that schedules cupcakes. Lord knows that doesn't happen anywhere else.

[Andy]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

That's a silly thing to claim. For one thing if A&M was in the Big 12 last year they'd have had to trade out one of their tomato can victories out of conference for an actual opponent. To say nothing of all the other variables.

You mean these teams?

Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe (twice), Tulsa, and yes, Notre Dame? Those are the nonconference opponents for this year's Big 12 BCS teams.

 

I believe his point is the SEC has 8 conference games to the Big 12's 9.

I actually didn't catch that. Gotcha.

But still, it follows this maddening narrative that the SEC is the only place that schedules cupcakes. Lord knows that doesn't happen anywhere else.

They don't all do it, but A&M certainly did last year, and they were the subject of this silly hypothetical.

 

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[Guest]

Sumlin gets $5m? If they ever make like an actual BCS game... boy Katie bar the door.

 

It's crazy that's the going price for him and he's only coached Mike Sherman recruits.

 

(I know he's recruiting well, this is more an indictment on coaching salaries.)

[Derwood]

It's not that the SEC schedules cupcakes, it's that they schedule them late in the season when other conferences are playing key head-to-head games. So while OSU is playing Wisconsin or USC is facing Stanford, Alabama is artificially maintaining their ranking by pasting Chatanooga or Florida Atlantic

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It's not that the SEC schedules cupcakes, it's that they schedule them late in the season when other conferences are playing key head-to-head games. So while OSU is playing Wisconsin or USC is facing Stanford, Alabama is artificially maintaining their ranking by pasting Chatanooga or Florida Atlantic

 

or when OSU is playing Purdue or Illinois or Indiana. You do not want to have to play OSU's Nov schedule.

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Sumlin gets $5m? If they ever make like an actual BCS game... boy Katie bar the door.

 

It's crazy that's the going price for him and he's only coached Mike Sherman recruits.

 

(I know he's recruiting well, this is more an indictment on coaching salaries.)

 

He is. Hope he can coach them up. Their D this year was brutal.

[Old Style]

They don't all do it, but A&M certainly did last year, and they were the subject of this silly hypothetical.

I don't like the FBS schools on the schedule so I'm not trying to defend that but one of the reasons our non-conference schedule was so bad the last two years was the switch to the SEC really messed up our scheduling and put us behind. By the time we had our conference schedule to work around most FBS teams already had a full schedule. Hopefully going forward we will make that part of the season more respectable.

 

Sumlin gets $5m? If they ever make like an actual BCS game... boy Katie bar the door.

 

It's crazy that's the going price for him and he's only coached Mike Sherman recruits.

 

(I know he's recruiting well, this is more an indictment on coaching salaries.)

 

He is. Hope he can coach them up. Their D this year was brutal.

Brutal indeed. Playing a lot of young guys in the front 7 is a recipe for disaster. It's not that they're not talented enough to play they just aren't big/strong enough yet. Our secondary was the biggest disappointment for me as we had plenty of experience back there but they were just godawful. Mark Snyder better show a big improvement next season. But the recruiting has been excellent so there should be plenty of talent to choose from over the next few seasons.

[Derwood]

It's not that the SEC schedules cupcakes, it's that they schedule them late in the season when other conferences are playing key head-to-head games. So while OSU is playing Wisconsin or USC is facing Stanford, Alabama is artificially maintaining their ranking by pasting Chatanooga or Florida Atlantic

 

or when OSU is playing Purdue or Illinois or Indiana. You do not want to have to play OSU's Nov schedule.

 

At least they're D1 and in-conference

[Ryne Ween]

Everybody who disagreed with me on the extreme difficulty of earning a BCS slot out of the SEC is dumb and especially those who questioned A&M from last year.

 

The SEC can only send 2 teams. If that rule didnt exist A&M, at #9 in the BCS going into the bowls would have empirically gotten into the BCS. The comparison to the Big 12, who only sent 1 team to the BCS last year, is easy because they pasted the sooners in the cotton bowl last year.

 

Last year's SEC sent #2 bama and #3 Florida. Thus, georgia, LSU, A&M and USC, #'s 7-10 couldnt get an invite. If the BCS didnt limit 2 teams from the same conference, than likely most of those teams would have gotten in (especially the heisman winners team).

 

This years gamecocks went 10-2, are #9 in the BCS and have beaten two BCS bowl teams this year and Mizzou. Clemson, after getting stomped by both decent teams they played is in the BCS. The BCS is designed to make good matchups you dont always see, not really to reward the very best teams.

[Andy]

Everybody who disagreed with me on the extreme difficulty of earning a BCS slot out of the SEC is dumb and especially those who questioned A&M from last year.

 

The SEC can only send 2 teams. If that rule didnt exist A&M, at #9 in the BCS going into the bowls would have empirically gotten into the BCS. The comparison to the Big 12, who only sent 1 team to the BCS last year, is easy because they pasted the sooners in the cotton bowl last year.

Well, that's nice.

 

The counterpoint: Would A&M have gotten to #9 in the BCS outside the SEC? A&M had two losses early in the season where they looked pretty bad (at least in the second half of the Florida game they looked bad, and the LSU game was Manziel's worst of the year). If they played similarly poor games in another conference, they wouldn't necessarily have had the luxury of shooting up the polls the way any SEC team that wins a few games in a row does (see Miss St getting to #11 last year without beating anyone even worth a [expletive], let alone an actual good team). Most of A&M's momentum came from the Alabama game, a game that wouldn't have been played if they were in another league last season.

 

To paraphrase you, anyone that definitively says A&M's 2012 season would've played out the exact same way it did if they had played a completely different schedule is dumb.

[bukie]

It's the same smug sense of SEC superiority that had people predicting Missouri to finish 14th in the SEC 3 games into this season. Because they were new, they couldn't possibly keep up with the rigors of the SEC schedule.

[Ryne Ween]

To paraphrase you, anyone that definitively says A&M's 2012 season would've played out the exact same way it did if they had played a completely different schedule is dumb.

 

Im not really saying this, obviously there are a billion variables. My point was in reaction to the poster who cited sumlin not making a BCS. I said making a BCS out of the SEC is more difficult than any other conference and posited that A&M would have made it out of any other conference last year. Does anybody actually disagree with either?

 

The BCS rankings are an attempt to force rank all the teams from all the conferences against each other. 10 teams get BCS slots but only 2 from the SEC, despite the fact that routinely 4-5 teams from the SEC are in the top 10 of the BCS rankings.

 

You can argue, and i think you did, that there is an institutional bias that benefits the SEC teams in all the rankings, which is true. But since, within the context of the BCS, A&M (or any other SEC team) is really only competing against other SEC teams, the bias doesnt come into play.

[bukie]

The other funny thing is, most of the people arguing the dominance of the SEC are the dregs that have routinely getting beaten down by the conference, the Mississippis, the Arkansas, the Vanderbilts, the Tennessees. Mostly they don't want to accept the fact that their team and program may just be bad, and not just at a disadvantage in their conference.

 

despite the fact that routinely 4-5 teams from the SEC are in the top 10 of the BCS rankings.

 

By "routinely" you mean "twice in history", right?

[Andy]

It's the same smug sense of SEC superiority that had people predicting Missouri to finish 14th in the SEC 3 games into this season. Because they were new, they couldn't possibly keep up with the rigors of the SEC schedule.

I'm not even arguing specifically anything related to the SEC. I just think it's folly to try to project what anyone can or would do against completely different schedules – as A&M and Missouri have borne out over the last couple of years. There's just too much variance (who you play, when you play them, where you play them) to say with any degree of confidence that the 2012 A&M team, or anybody else, would've definitely made a BCS game in another league.

 

I mean, what if A&M were in the Pac-12 (which, if you recall, wasn't that far away from happening) and had to play Stanford and Oregon last year? What if they played in freezing weather? What if their 2012 SEC schedule were rearranged and their game against Bama were in September, as it was this year?

 

All we can definitively evaluate is what actually did happen. The hypotheticals, especially as they relate to the conference pissing matches, are nonsensical IMO.

[stuy119]

I'm not a huge SEC guy but it's very very difficult for an SEC team to make a BCS bowl. Spurrier hasn't gotten one at USC and he's had a couple really good years. Last years A&M team makes a BCS bowl out of any other conference

 

Spurrier's best team at USC lost to a lowly ACC team in their bowl game. They weren't THAT good.

 

The SEC has 5-6 teams that would be great in other conferences. But the bottom of that conference is just as bad as other conferences and benefits from being in the SEC and their revenue sharing.

[stuy119]

It's not that the SEC schedules cupcakes, it's that they schedule them late in the season when other conferences are playing key head-to-head games. So while OSU is playing Wisconsin or USC is facing Stanford, Alabama is artificially maintaining their ranking by pasting Chatanooga or Florida Atlantic

 

They also schedule conference games to begin earlier in the season. Is that a negative? Are we supposed to penalize them for starting their competitive conference games earlier?

 

I don't understand your argument.