2013-2014 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Guest]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Stop choosing to troll when you're extra wrong FFS

[Guest]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

[SpongeWorthy]

How do you suggest convincing the players on the team to play losing ball?

[Guest]

How do you suggest convincing the players on the team to play losing ball?

I suggest playing bad ones more and trading some of the ones that are helping win.

[SpongeWorthy]

Is trading the remaining good players on the team really putting us closer to contention? The Deng trade I understand but pawning Noah, Gibson, etc for scrap gets us where?

[Guest]

Is trading the remaining good players on the team really putting us closer to contention? The Deng trade I understand but pawning Noah, Gibson, etc for scrap gets us where?

 

I'm not necessarily saying trade Noah...but a nucleus of Rose, a top pick in this year's draft, and probably Mirotic is something I'd be willing to roll with going forward.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a crappy situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

Some of you have taken the "I'm gonna be the most analytic, least emotional fan in the room" thing to such an extreme it's like a bizarre version of Stockholm Syndrome.

[Guest]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a crappy situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

Some of you have taken the "I'm gonna be the most analytic, least emotional fan in the room" thing to such an extreme it's like a bizarre version of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

I just don't understand caring about this year's Bulls team at all. My heartbreak happened 6 or 7 weeks ago when Rose got hurt. This season is long dead to me. They're not winning a championship...this isn't baseball. So I want to improve their chances of winning a championship as soon as next season.

[Guest]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a [expletive] situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

It was a defensible position if Cutler was out for the season, since it's a one season tank job where fans assume the current team isn't going to accomplish much and you can pick up a better player for a lost season.

 

The Cubs are a completely different discussion from the current Bears and Bulls.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a crappy situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

Some of you have taken the "I'm gonna be the most analytic, least emotional fan in the room" thing to such an extreme it's like a bizarre version of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

I just don't understand caring about this year's Bulls team at all. My heartbreak happened 6 or 7 weeks ago when Rose got hurt. This season is long dead to me. They're not winning a championship...this isn't baseball. So I want to improve their chances of winning a championship as soon as next season.

 

I never said a single thing about "caring" about this year's team; all I did was express how tired I am of rooting for my favorite teams to lose. It doesn't mean it's not the best option for them, but why is it trolling to point out how crappy a situation it is to be in any more than people rooting for them to lose?

[SpongeWorthy]

I think at this point unless you're Iiterally willing to give away good players for nothing, the Bulls/Thibs are good enough to make the playoffs. That's how bad the East is.

 

The steps you have to take to get bad enough to get a meaningful number of ping pong balls undermines the idea that you make up for it by getting a stud in the draft.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a [expletive] situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

It was a defensible position if Cutler was out for the season, since it's a one season tank job where fans assume the current team isn't going to accomplish much and you can pick up a better player for a lost season.

 

The Cubs are a completely different discussion from the current Bears and Bulls.

 

Yes, I get the logic; it doesn't make it any more tolerable. These are shitty times.

[SpongeWorthy]

Not to mention that dismantling the roster continues to push Thibs out of the door which is about as bad for title aspirations as any non Rose injury.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think at this point unless you're Iiterally willing to give away good players for nothing, the Bulls/Thibs are good enough to make the playoffs. That's how bad the East is.

 

The steps you have to take to get bad enough to get a meaningful number of ping pong balls undermines the idea that you make up for it by getting a stud in the draft.

 

That too. I get why it makes sense in theory for the Bulls to tank, but like the Cubs it feels like they'd just be putting themselves in a situation where so many things have to go right for it to pay off. It sure doesn't sound like Mirotic is coming over anytime soon, so it doesn't seem like anyone should be planning/hoping around that, and the odds are extremely small they get a really good draft pick with how bad so many other teams are. They'd basically have to scorched earth the roster and fire Thibs to get it done.

[Guest]

I think at this point unless you're Iiterally willing to give away good players for nothing, the Bulls/Thibs are good enough to make the playoffs. That's how bad the East is.

 

The steps you have to take to get bad enough to get a meaningful number of ping pong balls undermines the idea that you make up for it by getting a stud in the draft.

 

That too. I get why it makes sense in theory for the Bulls to tank, but like the Cubs it feels like they'd just be putting themselves in a situation where so many things have to go right for it to pay off. It sure doesn't sound like Mirotic is coming over anytime soon, so it doesn't seem like anyone should be planning/hoping around that, and the odds are extremely small they get a really good draft pick with how bad so many other teams are. They'd basically have to scorched earth the roster and fire Thibs to get it done.

 

This is basketball. You need two really good players to be championship contender good and we already have one.

 

Even a top 10 draft pick would be a really good one in this draft. And then there's the (however slight, but less slight the worse we manage to be) chance of ending up with a top 3.

 

Here's one solution - Play Marquis Teague more.

 

But, yes, I agree...if these jerks keep winning then their chances of being really good next year aren't very good.

[Banedon]

I haven't even attempted to watch a game since Rose got hurt, lol

 

 

LOSE IDIOTS

 

Absolutely this. Boring ass team.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think at this point unless you're Iiterally willing to give away good players for nothing, the Bulls/Thibs are good enough to make the playoffs. That's how bad the East is.

 

The steps you have to take to get bad enough to get a meaningful number of ping pong balls undermines the idea that you make up for it by getting a stud in the draft.

 

That too. I get why it makes sense in theory for the Bulls to tank, but like the Cubs it feels like they'd just be putting themselves in a situation where so many things have to go right for it to pay off. It sure doesn't sound like Mirotic is coming over anytime soon, so it doesn't seem like anyone should be planning/hoping around that, and the odds are extremely small they get a really good draft pick with how bad so many other teams are. They'd basically have to scorched earth the roster and fire Thibs to get it done.

 

This is basketball. You need two really good players to be championship contender good and we already have one.

 

Well, maybe they have one. That's the other big issue; what the hell kind of player Rose will or can be going forward. Now concern that he's going to be a lesser player or worse is an argument for tanking, but that would be tanking with a longer timeframe than what we're talking about. Couple that with how I agree that tanking likely drives Thibs away and I'm just not very confident that regardless of how this plays out that it ends well for the Bulls. Like the Cubs, they're stuck in limbo (though some of the major circumstances are different).

[davell]

I mark out for Jo. I don't want to see him go anywhere. I'm not sure what CAN be done to hurt the this year, that doesn't make it hard to overcome next year. We're in a [expletive] spot, basically. We can get rid of Hinrich and Dunleavy, but who else?

 

Maybe Jimmy? It doesn't make sense from a cap standpoint, as losing him wouldn't give you any real flexibility for next year. But, we only have him cheap for one more year before we've got to pay him as well. So, if we were ever going to get value for him, now would be the time. No clue what to do with him, it's a tough call honestly. I like Jimmy a lot, but at 8 mill a year(total guess), I'm not sure how much I would. If you could get a team firmly entrenched in the lottery(top 10) to give up an unprotected pick for him, would you do it?

 

With Thibs under contract for 4 years, maybe you trade him over the offseason? I'm reaching and I like Thibs, he's definitely one of the better coaches in the league. Is he the best coach for Derrick moving forward? No idea, but with his hard-nosed approach, do GOOD FA want to play for him?

 

Can't trade Taj, unless it's as part of a "go for it" type move, in my opinion. Plus, we'll need him when Boozer is amnestied over the offseason. Not to mention, Taj as a 30+ minute guy is a very, very solid player.

 

Snell doesn't have any real value currently, we need him to play in order to possibly build it up. No one else is even worth mentioning.

 

So yeah, we're kind of fucked. Trading those 2 may not even put you in the lottery. Won't root for an injury obviously, but we may need one to miss the playoffs in this pitiful conference, with Thibs at the helm.

 

As for the offseason, if Boozer is amnestied, it leaves us with 11 mill of space. Not enough to get a max guy. Which is why tanking this year IS important. It's our best shot at re-tooling for next year, especially if we have the Bobcat pick as well. Those picks, plus Mirotic, and a couple of rotational bench vets is BEST case scenario for us in the offseason(realistically). Which means Mirotic NEEDS to be an All Star type for the Bulls to be legit contenders, along with health from Rose.

[Guest]

Not to mention that dismantling the roster continues to push Thibs out of the door which is about as bad for title aspirations as any non Rose injury.

 

Can't imagine Thibs is here long term, sadly. Too much friction between him and upper management.

[Guest]

Speaking of all this...not sure if repost

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-01-07/cavs-bulls-trade-luol-deng-andrew-bynum-nikola-mirotic

 

But the Deng cost-cutting deal is probably most significant when it comes to Mirotic, whom many scouts acknowledge as the best player not currently in the NBA. Mirotic is a 6-foot-9 power forward who can shoot from all over the floor, currently averaging 14.5 points, shooting 60.7 percent from the field and 59.4 percent on 3-pointers. The Bulls traded into the bottom of the 2011 draft in order to take Mirotic, and have been sitting on his rights as he has blossomed into a European star.

 

Getting Mirotic, who turns 23 next month, to Chicago was never going to be easy, though, not while he is playing for a stable European powerhouse like Real Madrid. Mirotic has a generous contract on hand from Real Madrid that pays him 3.5 million Euros, which, at the current exchange rate, is $4.7 million. The rumor was even floated last month that Real Madrid would offer Mirotic an extension, which would make it all the more difficult for the Bulls to bring him to the NBA.

 

No matter what Chicago does, Mirotic would have to agree to a pay cut in order to come to the NBA this summer. That’s because the buyout in Mirotic’s Real Madrid contract comes in at 2.5 million Euros, or $3.4 million. Of that, the Bulls are allowed by NBA rules to pay $625,000, leaving Mirotic on the hook to pay the remaining $2.775 million out of his own salary.

 

In order to entice Mirotic, the Bulls will have to give him some part of their mid-level exception. As a taxpayer, that would be just $3.3 million, which would leave his salary at just about $500,000, a serious slash in pay. (Teams over the luxury tax are only allowed a ‘mini' mid-level exception) But the full mid-level starts at $5.3 million, and if Mirotic were given that much, he would have a starting salary, after the buyout, of about $2.5 million.

 

That is still a pay cut, but if the Bulls were to offer something in the range of a three-year contract worth $16 million, Mirotic would more than make up for the cost of the buyout over time. Or, the Bulls could give him a shorter deal that allows him to hit free agency, giving him the chance to cash in on his talents quickly.

 

That’s why Deng’s departure — either now, later in the season or in the offseason — was practically predetermined. It puts the Bulls in a much more flexible position generally, but especially when it comes to Mirotic.

 

This is the start of a major revamp of the franchise. The Bulls are planning on having Mirotic on hand eventually, hopefully starting this summer. They are planning on getting injured star guard Derrick Rose back, too, and without Deng, it is possible that the team will sink low enough in the standings to push their pick in the upcoming draft into the top 10, with Charlotte’s pick coming, too, should the Bobcats stay out of the top 10. Considering the Bulls’ impressive recent history of drafting, and the bumper crop of incoming talent in 2014, this will be a much different and possibly much more exciting young team in the coming years.

[Ryne Ween]

Did somebody suggest trading Thibs could help us lose more? Did somebody suggest that a nucleus of Rose, Mirotic and a fairly high pick is championship calibre? Its not. That nucleus isnt good and what a leap of faith for a mystery player and a guy youve never seen play and that nobody has seen play in an nba game.

 

The team is potentially good enough to be the number #3 seed in east this year, and afford us a chance to play 1 or 2 playoff series; and this team by returning Rose, rostering Mirotic, and having FA money from the Boozer amnesty is likely to improve more than any other team in the NBA and immediately contend next year. You really want to dismantle all that for the chance to move up 10 picks in the draft? The NBA draft is obviously extremely hit or miss. And this franchise is pretty bad at getting high upside young players to contribute immediately.

[Ryne Ween]

Did somebody suggest trading Thibs could help us lose more? Did somebody suggest that a nucleus of Rose, Mirotic and a fairly high pick is championship calibre? Its not. That nucleus isnt good and what a leap of faith for a mystery player and a guy youve never seen play and that nobody has seen play in an nba game.

 

The team is potentially good enough to be the number #3 seed in east this year, and afford us a chance to play 1 or 2 playoff series; and this team by returning Rose, rostering Mirotic, and having FA money from the Boozer amnesty is likely to improve more than any other team in the NBA and immediately contend next year. You really want to dismantle all that for the chance to move up 10 picks in the draft? The NBA draft is obviously extremely hit or miss. And this franchise is pretty bad at getting high upside young players to contribute immediately.

[imb]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a crappy situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

Some of you have taken the "I'm gonna be the most analytic, least emotional fan in the room" thing to such an extreme it's like a bizarre version of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[expletive] off kyle, jesus christ

[ConstableRabbit]

What's the [expletive] tax income rate in Spain though?

[Sammy Sofa]

Just business as usual for the Bears I mean Cubs I mean Bulls.

 

Not sure why anyone who is a Bears fan would be rooting for them to lose.

 

ETA: Oh, you're intentionally trolling. Never mind.

 

Until Cutler came back you had tons of people here rooting for the Bears to lose out to improve their draft position.

 

It's hardly like I'm making it up that people have been rooting for Chicago teams to lose more in the hopes of getting better a LOT in recent years. It's a crappy situation, but yeah, I'm somehow "trolling" for pointing it out that it sucks because...ah, [expletive] it, I don't even care.

 

Some of you have taken the "I'm gonna be the most analytic, least emotional fan in the room" thing to such an extreme it's like a bizarre version of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[expletive] off kyle, jesus christ

 

The more you hate it the more it turns me on.