2013-2014 Chicago Bulls Thread

[davell]

White flag time. Deng for Bynum and a pick.( my guess is its not a 1st)

[Old Style]

Will Bynum even play for us or do we just want the expiring contract and the pick?

[Guest]

White flag time. Deng for Bynum and a pick.( my guess is its not a 1st)

They're in 6th place. Do you really think they're going to punt?

[Guest]

Nevermind...apparently they did punt.

 

It is going to be a first round pick coming back, btw.

[ConstableRabbit]

@WindhorstESPN: Bulls did well with picks, will get a 1st rounder the Cavs own from Sacramento, limited 1st swap rights from Cavs in 15, 2 2nd round picks.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea it's unfortunately kind of late. They've been on a relative tear and distanced themselves from a respectable tank pick.

 

If you want a meaningful tank you have to be all in. Noah and Boozer( if possible) gone. Move Butler if you need to ensure proper assets in return. Just moving Deng does nothing really meaningful.

 

Edit- Damn I'm sad to see Deng gone. Was awesome to watch him all these years and glad they stuck with him through his rough injury patch. Good luck Deng!

[Cubswin11]

Yea it's unfortunately kind of late. They've been on a relative tear and distanced themselves from a respectable tank pick.

 

If you want a meaningful tank you have to be all in. Noah and Boozer( if possible) gone. Move Butler if you need to ensure proper assets in return. Just moving Deng does nothing really meaningful.

 

Edit- Damn I'm sad to see Deng gone. Was awesome to watch him all these years and glad they stuck with him through his rough injury patch. Good luck Deng!

Noah for Perkins and Perry Jones +pick(s) would be a good step towards trying to get inside the top 10 but probably not top 5

[davell]

Good job in getting a 1st, especially one that could wind up being a high one.

[Cubswin11]

Bulls get under the tax with the move too, assuming Bynum is cut tomorrow.

[WrigleyField 22]

Eh, according to Draft Express that Sac pick isn't that great. It's top 12 this year, top ten protected in 15, 16, and 17, and if not conveyed by 17 turns into a second round pick in 17. We're getting three second round picks and a swap in 15 fellas. All our bets lie in that swap, but it's apparently not full swaps so probably at least top 3 protected.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bulls get under the tax with the move too, assuming Bynum is cut tomorrow.

This shouldn't be a meaningful detail for fans, but unfortunately is. The saved money is hopefully enough to cause no issue for a Boozer amnesty. We were also likely to want to get under the tax at some point to avoid the repeater stuff so now is as good as ever.

[WrigleyField 22]

Ah Jesus, according to a CBS Sports article, that pick swap is lottery protected. Three future second rounders and $15m is the package.

[davell]

Surely Sacramento can finish outside the bottom 10 by 2017, right? If not, I wonder if they'd even still have a franchise?

[Guest]

lol at KC

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bits-bulls-raptors-spt-0101-20140101,0,5532394.story

 

seems like he has made a career out of poopooing rumors. it's nice to see him actually be wrong in doing so for once.

[Cubswin11]

Surely Sacramento can finish outside the bottom 10 by 2017, right? If not, I wonder if they'd even still have a franchise?

You have to figure Gay, Thomas and Boogie is a good enough 3-some to accomplish that. Maybe even this year yet, once the tanking teams unload even more guys/start the strategic no plays, etc, they seem intent on winning as much as possible this year/trying to build something now.

[Guest]

Yea it's unfortunately kind of late. They've been on a relative tear and distanced themselves from a respectable tank pick.

 

If you want a meaningful tank you have to be all in. Noah and Boozer( if possible) gone. Move Butler if you need to ensure proper assets in return. Just moving Deng does nothing really meaningful.

 

Edit- Damn I'm sad to see Deng gone. Was awesome to watch him all these years and glad they stuck with him through his rough injury patch. Good luck Deng!

 

This is how I feel too. Wish the return was more meaningful.

[WrigleyField 22]

Surely Sacramento can finish outside the bottom 10 by 2017, right? If not, I wonder if they'd even still have a franchise?

Their roster, while it has talent is just an awful jumbled collection of a non-team. And the West looks pretty strong for the foreseeable future. The only silver lining is their shot at Parker. But if they even merely get a top 4 pick, I see just another talented piece that will get thrown into an awful situation there. I suppose it's possible they at least have the ammo to rebuild in a short time, but they Gay trade wasn't a fine example of that.

Edited January 7, 2014 by WrigleyField 22

[davell]

Well, it's an asset of some sort anyway. People on realgm are talking about some dude on Twitter(D'Amico maybe?) saying Bulls aren't done making moves.

 

Other than Dunleavy, not sure who else is possibly moved? Boozer? No one's taking him, right ? That said, he may have value as an expiring next year, I guess. Of course, he can always be amnestied.

 

Taj or Noah wouldn't be on the block, would they ? I can't see it anyway.

[WrigleyField 22]

FWIW, I ran a few figures and the Bulls tax would have been a about 12.1M and they save whatever the pro-rated portion of Deng's 14.275M salary for the remainder of the year, which puts them in that $20M range that's been quoted. They'll likely see a little bit more for being a non-tax team, roughly 3.2M. And they'll get about 2.5M from revenue sharing from the lux tax, but they would have received that either way, although it would have been almost $3M because they would have been getting their 1/30 portion of the tax bill back.

 

For anyone confused, the league can split the tax in 50% from league purposes and up to 50% to non-tax teams. Based on precedence, its likely they max out the non-tax payment of 50% and the entire 50% for league purposes go into the revenue sharing. Neither is guaranteed though. The only guarantee is the 50% for leauge purposes, which technically can be used for a wide range of things.

[Cubswin11]

Well, it's an asset of some sort anyway. People on realgm are talking about some dude on Twitter(D'Amico maybe?) saying Bulls aren't done making moves.

 

Other than Dunleavy, not sure who else is possibly moved? Boozer? No one's taking him, right ? That said, he may have value as an expiring next year, I guess. Of course, he can always be amnestied.

 

Taj or Noah wouldn't be on the block, would they ? I can't see it anyway.

For the right price I think they would be and probably everyone outside of Butler should be made available.

[UMFan83]

Yea it's unfortunately kind of late. They've been on a relative tear and distanced themselves from a respectable tank pick.

 

If you want a meaningful tank you have to be all in. Noah and Boozer( if possible) gone. Move Butler if you need to ensure proper assets in return. Just moving Deng does nothing really meaningful.

 

Edit- Damn I'm sad to see Deng gone. Was awesome to watch him all these years and glad they stuck with him through his rough injury patch. Good luck Deng!

 

This is how I feel too. Wish the return was more meaningful.

 

I think its extremely meaningful. There was almost no way for the Bulls to get under the luxury tax this year without making this move. Now this sort of resets the luxury tax clock a bit going forward. The Bulls will be able to go over the luxury tax in one of the next 2 seasons and not have to pay a steep penalty the rest of the way. My guess is that they stay under the threshold next year, bring Mirotic and anywhere from 1-3 draft picks and then build for a run in 2 years.

 

If we don't get out of the luxury tax this year, we would have to stay under it the next 2 seasons because there is no way JR is paying the repeater penalty. Makes sense to go under in a year without Rose and the team going nowhere.

[apete6]

If they are going to amnesty Boozer, sign Mirotic, and make a run at Carmelo, they could be just as good, if not better next year. Obviously it all depends on Rose returning at an extremely high level, but Rose/Butler/Mirotic/Carmelo/Noah with Taj, Dunleavy, Snell and filler on the bench is as good as what they had before.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea it's unfortunately kind of late. They've been on a relative tear and distanced themselves from a respectable tank pick.

 

If you want a meaningful tank you have to be all in. Noah and Boozer( if possible) gone. Move Butler if you need to ensure proper assets in return. Just moving Deng does nothing really meaningful.

 

Edit- Damn I'm sad to see Deng gone. Was awesome to watch him all these years and glad they stuck with him through his rough injury patch. Good luck Deng!

 

This is how I feel too. Wish the return was more meaningful.

 

I think its extremely meaningful. There was almost no way for the Bulls to get under the luxury tax this year without making this move. Now this sort of resets the luxury tax clock a bit going forward. The Bulls will be able to go over the luxury tax in one of the next 2 seasons and not have to pay a steep penalty the rest of the way. My guess is that they stay under the threshold next year, bring Mirotic and anywhere from 1-3 draft picks and then build for a run in 2 years.

 

If we don't get out of the luxury tax this year, we would have to stay under it the next 2 seasons because there is no way JR is paying the repeater penalty. Makes sense to go under in a year without Rose and the team going nowhere.

I definitely agree with you, and I always try and view the decisions as though JR is my boss. That being said, the average fun just doesn't get all that and expects the team to just pay whatever. So I preface it with the not-meaningful. Definitely does make sense to avoid the tax now though.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well, it's an asset of some sort anyway. People on realgm are talking about some dude on Twitter(D'Amico maybe?) saying Bulls aren't done making moves.

 

Other than Dunleavy, not sure who else is possibly moved? Boozer? No one's taking him, right ? That said, he may have value as an expiring next year, I guess. Of course, he can always be amnestied.

 

Taj or Noah wouldn't be on the block, would they ? I can't see it anyway.

For the right price I think they would be and probably everyone outside of Butler should be made available.

Honestly thats laughable to include Butler as some untouchable. He has one cheap year left and then will likely be an overpaid wing player. I'd actually put him higher on the list of tradeable assets as he's probably one of the better bets to net us a draft pick who could give us 4 years of below market production. I do like Butler, but he's fair game with everyone not named Rose.

[Cubswin11]

I thought he had 2 more cheap years left after this season. If it's only 1 then he definitely should be available for the right package as well.