Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-17-13

[dfnowak]

Brett Jackson is hitting .173 in AA.

Does he still make the 40 man roster next year?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Brett Jackson is hitting .173 in AA.

Does he still make the 40 man roster next year?

 

I think no. But yes to Vitters.

[TruffleShuffle]

Mike Olt is hitting .120 as a Cub...with 23 Ks. I think it is time to stop thinking about him in our top 10.

 

that's basically the same K rate as last year, when he was regarded as one of the better prospects in baseball. the problem is that his walks are down and his power is down too.

 

and while he's been lousy, he's also been incredibly unlucky too. i think his babip after tonight (0-3 with no strikeouts) is something like .125.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Brett Jackson is hitting .173 in AA.

 

Brett Jackson is gonna be selling cars in a couple of years. Hard to believe two years ago he was the #1 prospect in the system.

[Sammy Sofa]

Brett Jackson is hitting .173 in AA.

 

Brett Jackson is gonna be selling cars in a couple of years. Hard to believe two years ago he was the #1 prospect in the system.

 

Given the drafting track record of the FO that drafted him...nah.

[muntjack]

Since his promotion, Rosscup has faced 11 hitters and struck out 10 of them.

[Guest]

10 of 15, 2 hits, 2 walks, and one non-K out. His K/9 is currently 24.5, which is something I've never actually seen on paper before.

[Tyrant]

10 of 15, 2 hits, 2 walks, and one non-K out. His K/9 is currently 24.5, which is something I've never actually seen on paper before.

 

What the

[Guest]

10 of 15, 2 hits, 2 walks, and one non-K out. His K/9 is currently 24.5, which is something I've never actually seen on paper before.

You printed it out?

[Guest]

I'm old school like that.

 

 

Leal was FIP-good again: 5 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 6/1 K/BB, 0 HR

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Leal was FIP-good again: 5 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 6/1 K/BB, 0 HR

 

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[TruffleShuffle]

paniagua sucked again.

[Guest]

Mike Olt is hitting .120 as a Cub...with 23 Ks. I think it is time to stop thinking about him in our top 10.

 

so you're saying his strikeoute rate has improved

[jumbo]

I'm old school like that.

 

 

Leal was FIP-good again: 5 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 6/1 K/BB, 0 HR

 

I looked at the play by play on Leal and he gave up 4 hits and 3 runs to the first five batters he faced. After that just one hit and one walk.

[pitchcs]

Vogelbach is going to be John Kruk, and that's cool with me, as long as he keeps his mouth shut.

 

John Kruk?

[ctcf]

Vogelbach is going to be John Kruk, and that's cool with me, as long as he keeps his mouth shut.

 

John Kruk?

 

Do you not know who he is?

[ctcf]

I'd expect him to have more power than Kruk, though. Kinda surprising the most HR he had in a year was 21.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Yea, I'd expect Voges (assuming he even makes it as a ML regular) to have significantly more power than Kruk and nowhere near Kruk's hit tool. Aside from both being somewhat similar physically -- as in white, short and not particularly athletic first basemen -- I don't see an obvious comparison between them as hitters.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Yea, I'd expect Voges (assuming he even makes it as a ML regular) to have significantly more power than Kruk and nowhere near Kruk's hit tool. Aside from both being somewhat similar physically -- as in white, short and not particularly athletic first basemen -- I don't see an obvious comparison between them as hitters.

 

You're short-selling Vogelbach's hit tool.

[Sammy Sofa]

I will instantly become Vogelbach's biggest fan if he starts rocking Kruk's monstrous mullet.

[rawaction]

Yea, I'd expect Voges (assuming he even makes it as a ML regular) to have significantly more power than Kruk and nowhere near Kruk's hit tool. Aside from both being somewhat similar physically -- as in white, short and not particularly athletic first basemen -- I don't see an obvious comparison between them as hitters.

 

You're short-selling Vogelbach's hit tool.

 

Yeah, he can really hit. And actually, his profile looks a lot more like Kruk than the Prince Fielder type of comps he was getting, right now. Has hit 18 HRs, which is a solid number, but ISOP isn't that of a big time power hitter. Well under .200. Not a huge number of Ks either, with almost as many walks.

 

He'll definitely hit more HRs than Kruk, who only hit 20 twice and double digits 2 other times. But I could definitely see him as a guy who hits for a high average and strikes out only in double digits, while walking in well over 10% of his PAs (as he's done this year).

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

To me, the perfect comp for Vogelbach's ceiling is Billy Butler. Maybe with a tad less average and a tad more power.

[craig]

Vogelbach has been heavily a singles hitter. When he gets hits, a disproportionate amount of them are singles. Much higher singles/hit ratio than Darwin Barney, for example.

[MSG T]

Vogelbach has been heavily a singles hitter. When he gets hits, a disproportionate amount of them are singles. Much higher singles/hit ratio than Darwin Barney, for example.

 

 

Vogelbach's ratio of hits/XBH is around 39.5%, Barney's (minor league) ratio is about 23.5%. Now, I'm not saying Vogelbach couldn't stand to be a bit higher, but his ratio is FAR closer to Baez than Barney.

[Guest]

Vogelbach has been heavily a singles hitter. When he gets hits, a disproportionate amount of them are singles. Much higher singles/hit ratio than Darwin Barney, for example.

 

 

Vogelbach's ratio of hits/XBH is around 39.5%, Barney's (minor league) ratio is about 23.5%. Now, I'm not saying Vogelbach couldn't stand to be a bit higher, but his ratio is FAR closer to Baez than Barney.

As noted, through his minor league career, Vogelbach is at 60.6% of his hits are singles. For perspective, Albert Pujols has averaged 56.1% in his major league career.

 

I just don't see usable power being a long term problem for Vogelbach. I'm thrilled his hit tool is good enough that he can lace singles in addition to home runs.