Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Guest]

Well, we were all pretty stoked about the return they were going to get for Dempster before the NTC fiasco, so without that obstacle I would think you could expect value along those lines if you're wanting to connect the two.

[Warpticon]

Also there seems to be a lot of demand among the contending teams compared to last year.

[Guest]

And fairly or not, I think Garza is perceived much more positively than Dempster.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona-diamondbacks-wont-rush-into-pitching-upgrade-ricky-nolasco-yovani-gallardo-jeff-samardzija-patrick-corbin-062713

 

 

Please no. Just no.

[Clem Fandango]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona-diamondbacks-wont-rush-into-pitching-upgrade-ricky-nolasco-yovani-gallardo-jeff-samardzija-patrick-corbin-062713

 

 

Please no. Just no.

 

It will take a King's Ransom to pry Samardzija away from this team.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

I'd do it if that "overwhelming" package was enough to get us Stanton.

[davell]

Give me Skaggs, Bradley, Eaton, Holmberg, and Davidson. Assuming Arizona laughs, just extend him and be happy. Then go get him some longterm rotation help.

 

I'd say there's about a 0.0001% chance Shark gets dealt, because it'd likely take something fairly close to that to make us trade him.

[TruffleShuffle]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona-diamondbacks-wont-rush-into-pitching-upgrade-ricky-nolasco-yovani-gallardo-jeff-samardzija-patrick-corbin-062713

 

 

Please no. Just no.

 

what's so bad about this? samardzija isn't really good enough/young enough to say that you absolutely don't trade him. you listen to offers, and if they start throwing around names like bradley and skaggs then maybe there's something to work on.

[Splendid Splinter]

Give me Skaggs, Bradley, Eaton, Holmberg, and Davidson. Assuming Arizona laughs, just extend him and be happy. Then go get him some longterm rotation help.

 

I'd say there's about a 0.0001% chance Shark gets dealt, because it'd likely take something fairly close to that to make us trade him.

 

 

What if they come back with Skaggs/Bradley and one of the other 3 whoever you prefer? That's pretty tempting to me.

[Sammy Sofa]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona-diamondbacks-wont-rush-into-pitching-upgrade-ricky-nolasco-yovani-gallardo-jeff-samardzija-patrick-corbin-062713

 

 

Please no. Just no.

 

what's so bad about this? samardzija isn't really good enough/young enough to say that you absolutely don't trade him. you listen to offers, and if they start throwing around names like bradley and skaggs then maybe there's something to work on.

 

His age is relative given how different his pitching career has been to this point; there's less wear and tear. And he's looking to be good enough that, yes, unless they're going to give away the farm you're not going to trade him. It's a bad article for bringing him up in the first place because it's simply not realistic that he would be traded.

[Tryptamine]

The first of many last starts, no doubt.

 

Speaking of which!

 

@georgeofman: If Garza pitches well today, don't be shocked if he's traded over the weekend. Rangers really want him.

 

Martin Perez or Leonys Martin would make me irrationally happy. Of course I'd be pretty happy with Roughned Odor as a secondary piece as well.

[CubsWin]

Who would we be targeting in a trade with the Rangers? I really don't know their system.

For me, the top target is clear, C Jorge Alfaro. After that, Luke Jackson would be nice. Cody Buckel seems to have completely forgotten how to pitch, so buying low on him would be nice. Those three for Garza wouldn't be bad at all. Don't know if the Rangers are desperate enough to give up Alfaro though.

[Infrequent Poster]

This morning from PSD's ABTY -

Hearing first domino will fall prior to 7/7... Multiple talks in advanced stages including Villanueva deal to an NL Central team...

[Little Slide Rooter]

This morning from PSD's ABTY -

Hearing first domino will fall prior to 7/7... Multiple talks in advanced stages including Villanueva deal to an NL Central team...

 

My $'s on the Bucs. With 3/5 of their starting rotation DL'd he's the perfect guy to fill in, and if/when everyone's back, he's a nice long reliever. The same could be said for the Reds, but for Carlos' sake, I hope not.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Give me Skaggs, Bradley, Eaton, Holmberg, and Davidson. Assuming Arizona laughs, just extend him and be happy. Then go get him some longterm rotation help.

 

I'd say there's about a 0.0001% chance Shark gets dealt, because it'd likely take something fairly close to that to make us trade him.

 

 

What if they come back with Skaggs/Bradley and one of the other 3 whoever you prefer? That's pretty tempting to me.

 

I come back and ask for 2 more. Maybe offer to toss them one of our scraps along with him. There's 0.000 reason to trade Smardz, and it's in our best interest to hang on to him. This being said, full leverage is a wonderful thing, so there's no harm in a bit of dialogue.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I still would rather trade Garza for Skaggs or something along those lines and keep Shark.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I still would rather trade Garza for Skaggs or something along those lines and keep Shark.

 

It's not that simple. A good chunk of Smardz' value is tied to his having 2 full years under team control. If the D Backs are willing to give up Skaggs for 2-3 months of Garza, then nice work if you can get it.

[Clem Fandango]

I still would rather trade Garza for Skaggs or something along those lines and keep Shark.

 

It's not that simple. A good chunk of Smardz' value is tied to his having 2 full years under team control. If the D Backs are willing to give up Skaggs for 2-3 months of Garza, then nice work if you can get it.

 

Well they were willing to give up Bauer for a whole lot less. Unless people actually think Didi Gregorius is the 2nd coming of Derek Jeter like the D-Backs do.

[Elrhino]

The first of many last starts, no doubt.

 

Speaking of which!

 

@georgeofman: If Garza pitches well today, don't be shocked if he's traded over the weekend. Rangers really want him.

 

Martin Perez or Leonys Martin would make me irrationally happy. Of course I'd be pretty happy with Roughned Odor as a secondary piece as well.

 

 

I dunno, I think a lot of luster has worn off Martin Perez.

Edited June 28, 2013 by Elrhino

[Guest]

I still would rather trade Garza for Skaggs or something along those lines and keep Shark.

 

It's not that simple. A good chunk of Smardz' value is tied to his having 2 full years under team control. If the D Backs are willing to give up Skaggs for 2-3 months of Garza, then nice work if you can get it.

 

Well they were willing to give up Bauer for a whole lot less. Unless people actually think Didi Gregorius is the 2nd coming of Derek Jeter like the D-Backs do.

 

Less than Samardzija or less than 2-3 months of Garza?

 

Either way, I made fun of them like everyone else, but Gregorius is pretty damn good.

[Clem Fandango]

I still would rather trade Garza for Skaggs or something along those lines and keep Shark.

 

It's not that simple. A good chunk of Smardz' value is tied to his having 2 full years under team control. If the D Backs are willing to give up Skaggs for 2-3 months of Garza, then nice work if you can get it.

 

Well they were willing to give up Bauer for a whole lot less. Unless people actually think Didi Gregorius is the 2nd coming of Derek Jeter like the D-Backs do.

 

Less than Samardzija or less than 2-3 months of Garza?

 

Either way, I made fun of them like everyone else, but Gregorius is pretty damn good.

 

Gregorius has been pretty good this year, I'll admit. But that trade was pure lunacy. Trading away one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball for a guy who just popped up on the Top 100 at #80? Obviously the D-Backs didn't agree with Bauer's methods and they wanted him gone, but they could've gotten a much better package and everyone knew it, but they were blinded by their gritty grit grit grit team building approach.

 

But everything is coming out smelling like roses for them at the moment, so... more power to em

 

EDIT: That being said, the D-Backs have a glut of pitching prospects. Skaggs has been less than stellar during the starts they've given him, and the D-Backs are 1st in their division and in need of a serious arm. Their collective ERA of all their starters not named Patrick Corbin is 4.82. That's awful. Corbin's ERA is bringing the team total down to 4.15. Only Milwaukee's rotation ERA is worse than that 4.82. D-Backs need a big arm, and I'd be willing to bet they'd let Skaggs go for someone like Garza given that they can fall back on guys like Bradley, Holmberg, Delgado, etc. Giving up Skaggs to fill a huge hole in your rotation with Garza might be something they would be willing to do if they get desperate enough/start to slip a bit.

Edited June 28, 2013 by The Logan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm pretty sure I said at the time the the cackling at the Diamondbacks was overdone. MLB teams don't use public farm system rankings.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm pretty sure I said at the time the the cackling at the Diamondbacks was overdone. MLB teams don't use public farm system rankings.

 

Yes, I know. That didn't make it any less ridiculous at the time.

[Guest]

It's also very easy to have that hindsight when Gregorius goes from a .267/.319/.375/.694 MiLB line(including .243/.288/.427 at AAA) to .291/.355/.427/.782 at the MLB level. I think he's more Alex Cintron than Elvis Andrus, personally.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It is a baseball front office's job at a fundamental level to find things that consensus rankings and slash lines don't.

 

Looks to me like it's possible the Diamondbacks did a good job of selling high and buying low.