Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Clem Fandango]

Yeah I don't recall any Headley rumors either. I know many folks on here liked him as a trade target but I think an actual rumor would've been widely discussed and I don't recall that at all.

[Gilby]

I'm assuming he's talking about the Jackson and McNutt for Headley rumors one of the PSD insiders mentioned. In other words, a price that wasn't considered cheap back then because of the value of the prospects and because Headley had one season with a 3+ fWAR at the time that was heavily influenced by UZR.

[A New Era]

I'm assuming he's talking about the Jackson and McNutt for Headley rumors one of the PSD insiders mentioned. In other words, a price that wasn't considered cheap back then because of the value of the prospects and because Headley had one season with a 3+ fWAR at the time that was heavily influenced by UZR.

 

Right, it's all about prediction. And I guess our FO can't magically predict everything. Hard lesson for me. It's not ENTIRELY lost though. As we still have Jackson and Soriano so it's not like we can't trade them later. It won't be for Headley and Brown though. :)

[cl smooth]

would alex gordon be a trade target for the cubs? he signed a 4-year extension at the start of the 2012 season, but with the royals playing not as well as they hoped, perhaps they would want to get some younger prospects for him. apologies if this was brought up somewhere else.

[Guest]

would alex gordon be a trade target for the cubs? he signed a 4-year extension at the start of the 2012 season, but with the royals playing not as well as they hoped, perhaps they would want to get some younger prospects for him. apologies if this was brought up somewhere else.

It's possible. I know he's had a rocky relationship with the Royals at times, but I just don't think Moore is in a position where he'll be given the leeway to punt again and rebuild.

[ctcf]

Does anyone more familiar with their system know if the Orioles have much left in the tank? If so, this got me thinking...

 

jasoncollette @jasoncollette

Over the last 30 days, the #Orioles have both the highest team OPS (.793) as well as the highest team ERA (5.17)

[davell]

Nah, they really don't have much. They do have a comp pick and likely will have one next year anyway. Eduardo Rodriguez is a solid LHP prospect. I've never really been a fan of Jonathan Schoop, but he has his supporters. Outside of that, you get into Jake Arrieta and Zach Britton, who still have hope, I guess.

[toonsterwu]

Does anyone more familiar with their system know if the Orioles have much left in the tank? If so, this got me thinking...

 

jasoncollette @jasoncollette

Over the last 30 days, the #Orioles have both the highest team OPS (.793) as well as the highest team ERA (5.17)

 

Depends on

 

a) Who we are trading

b) How player is performing at the time

 

I don't think Feldman is going to net a huge return, so if we're talking Feldman, yes, they'd probably have enough.

 

If we're talking Garza, and he's pitching well, the Orioles would be a bit borderline (keeping in mind that Garza is an impending FA, so it's going to be really tough to gauge right now what his value is). Britton/Arrieta have never taken off and are getting to that age where dealing Garza for one (or both) doesn't make a ton of sense (although a lot of folks still believe in Arrieta's raw stuff). Schoop is more a 2nd tier piece in a Garza trade, IMO, and after that, it's a bunch of younger/lower level guys.

 

As a side note, I'd be intrigued with getting Bosio with Zach Britton. Britton is still getting a ton of groundballs and the velocity is still strong.

Edited June 4, 2013 by toonsterwu

[scarey]

Keeping in mind that the Cubs do in fact need to field a team next year (and I for one am optimistic for a competitive one), I would be in favor of seeking out a trade for Schierholtz. He is definitely an asset, but I think the Cubs could turn around a replace him in the upcoming offseason.

 

The free agent list isn't pretty, but Hoyer should be able to snap up someone like David Murphy on a relatively frugal contract. Murphy is having a deceptively bad season with a .228/.270/.397 slash line to go with a .230 BABIP and a 21.4% LD%. I like his chances to bounce back to close to his 126 OPS+ 2012 production.

[ctcf]

Well whatdya know...

 

CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reports that the Orioles "appear to have little to no interest" in trading for the Cubs' Matt Garza.

The Orioles would like to add a veteran starting pitcher, but Cliff Lee is out of their price range and they aren't interested in dealing either Dylan Bundy or Kevin Gausman in order to make it happen. Garza has enjoyed past success in the American League East, but it's possible that the Orioles aren't willing to pay a high price for a rental. While some have mentioned Yovani Gallardo as a possibility due to his ties to pitching coach pitching coordinator Rick Peterson, the interest isn't there at the moment. Of course, the July 31 trade deadline is still almost two months away, so a lot can change between now and then.

[toonsterwu]

Gallardo is likely to be significantly more costly than Garza or Feldman, and I just don't see the Orioles having enough pieces unless the Brewers really like some guys more than most (and they liked Jean Segura a bit more than most last year, so nothing's impossible, just speaking generally).

[SouthSideRyan]

Gallardo is likely to be significantly more costly than Garza or Feldman, and I just don't see the Orioles having enough pieces unless the Brewers really like some guys more than most (and they liked Jean Segura a bit more than most last year, so nothing's impossible, just speaking generally).

 

Shouldn't it matter that Gallardo hasn't been very good this year?

[Guest]

Yeah, given how Gallardo has trended(declining FIP each year since 2010, injury this year), I'm not sure his 11.85 million dollar obligation next year is as much a benefit as it is a weight on his value.

[toonsterwu]

Gallardo is likely to be significantly more costly than Garza or Feldman, and I just don't see the Orioles having enough pieces unless the Brewers really like some guys more than most (and they liked Jean Segura a bit more than most last year, so nothing's impossible, just speaking generally).

 

Shouldn't it matter that Gallardo hasn't been very good this year?

 

I think Gallardo is likely to be more costly. I shouldn't have used the word significantly, as I guess it's debatable.

 

There's no doubt that Gallardo isn't the pitcher he was, say, 2-3 years ago. He's clearly losing velocity on the fastball, and he's had to adjust. He's adjusted through going to the breaking ball more and going to his 2-seamer a bit more than I recall.

 

Has he been very good this year? No. That said, outside of his bad ERA, he hasn't been ... that bad this year. In the past month, the K's have spiked (although to be fair, if I note that, I need to note that the walks have increased as well). Tracking the last few starts, his velocity tends to start around the 88-91 range on the fastball, but at the end of this day, he's usually in that 90-93 range on his fastball.

 

He's only 27, and sure, 11.85 mil isn't chump change (2014 and a 2015 buyout) ... but at that age, he'd likely get around that, per year, on the open market. And my hunch is, barring problematic medical reports, that Gallardo would generate a significant amount of interest if the Brewers decided to move him.

[Cubswin11]

If the Braun suspension stuff is true I could see the Brewers going into a sell of mode of the veteran guys like Ramirez/Gallardo/Lohse/Weeks/Hart. Maybe their asking price for Gallardo will drop a bit if they intend to just sell most of the established guys off to replenish their terrible farm system.

[Infrequent Poster]

Not enough, too much?

 

Garza and DeJesus to the Rangers for Mike Olt, Justin Grimm, and Luke Jackson.

 

(Assuming Olt's vision checks out.)

[Guest]

ABTY:

 

Yankees, Rockies, Indians, O's, Nat's and Phillies have been most aggresive in scouting Feldman thus far...

[Guest]

ABTY:

 

Yankees, Rockies, Indians, O's, Nat's and Phillies have been most aggresive in scouting Feldman thus far...

Rockies and Rosell Herrera, please.

[davell]

Not enough, too much?

 

Garza and DeJesus to the Rangers for Mike Olt, Justin Grimm, and Luke Jackson.

 

(Assuming Olt's vision checks out.)

I think its a fair deal, but I'd shy away from Olt myself, at this point. If a Rangers deal is to be had, I want CJ Edwards involved.

[Guest]

ABTY:

 

Yankees, Rockies, Indians, O's, Nat's and Phillies have been most aggresive in scouting Feldman thus far...

Rockies and Rosell Herrera, please.

 

Well, that dude is having one hell of a breakout.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If the Braun suspension stuff is true I could see the Brewers going into a sell of mode of the veteran guys like Ramirez/Gallardo/Lohse/Weeks/Hart. Maybe their asking price for Gallardo will drop a bit if they intend to just sell most of the established guys off to replenish their terrible farm system.

 

The Brewers are 15.5 games back with a .379 WP. They may well do that regardless. However, Ramirez, Weeks, and Lohse are each come with significant salaries and red flags.The Brewer's will likely have to decide between eating large chunks of their salaries or accepting lesser returns.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Personally, I think we should start shopping Feldman ASAP, before other options start to become available. As of now, the competition is Rickey Nolasco, who's having a nice seasons and has a better past track record than Feldman.

 

Right now we have Villanueva as a ready set replacement as well as Scott Baker, who is doing something somewhere. I'll assume, so if we were to somehow weasel into contention, we'd have in house replacements and no lt have to hunt down the next Rodrigo Lopez.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, if there's one way to assure you get the most bang for your buck is rushing to complete the first major starting pitcher trade before the deadline just...because, I guess. Sweet logic, bro.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I said start shopping him. Never said rush him just because. If there are teams in search of a SP now, the market is thin. By July, who knows what could be available. Just saying that it couldn't hurt to send some feelers out to contenders with either injured pitchers or lack of rotation depth.

[Sammy Sofa]

I said start shopping him. Never said rush him just because. If there are teams in search of a SP now, the market is thin. By July, who knows what could be available. Just saying that it couldn't hurt to send some feelers out to contenders with either injured pitchers or lack of rotation depth.

 

It'll be a thin market then, too.

 

And I'm sorry, but you think the Cubs need to "send feelers out" about this? What the hell do you think they've been doing? They basically drafted the guy just so they could trade him if he was able to do well.