Rick Renteria Named New Cubs Manager

[Guest]

Patterson and Choi were both in the Top 25, Hill and Kelton were both in the Top 50.

 

Building a lineup that fills in with all 5 guys is fun, but it won't work out that way. I don't really think anyone was seriously doing that in this thread though.

 

While I'd be pleasantly surprised, I wouldn't really be shocked if the 4 guys were all in our MLB lineup at some point, though.

 

I estimate it like this (very unscientifically, based on my own feeling/expectations):

 

Will these guys end up in the Cubs' lineup (barring trade) at some point?

 

Baez/Bryant = almost certainly (90% chance)

 

Soler = probably (60% chance)

 

Alcantara/Almora = maybe (40% chance)

 

 

Last year I would have put Baez in the last group, but he's ascended to the point that I think it'd take a catastrophe for him to not at least crack the lineup in the next year and a half. Almora's predisposition to getting injured has me a bit more pessimistic on him than some others.

 

I'd have to put Soler higher than that just based on his contract.

 

I also have a lot of faith in how far his mature plate approach will take him, plus the power/contact combo.

[sneakypower]

given the FO, i'd figure a more relevant comparison would be Buchholz, Ellsbury, Masterson, Lowrie, Bowden, Bard, Pedroia, Papelbon, Lester but what the hell do i know; it's probably not as fun to make waives & waives jokes in response to that

[Guest]

given the FO, i'd figure a more relevant comparison would be Buchholz, Ellsbury, Masterson, Lowrie, Bowden, Bard, Pedroia, Papelbon, Lester but what the hell do i know; it's probably not as fun to make waives & waives jokes in response to that

 

hahaha yes

[Hairyducked Idiot]

given the FO, i'd figure a more relevant comparison would be Buchholz, Ellsbury, Masterson, Lowrie, Bowden, Bard, Pedroia, Papelbon, Lester but what the hell do i know; it's probably not as fun to make waives & waives jokes in response to that

 

It's still a little fun.

[Guest]

I really hope Soler goes Javy style beast mode next year, except with fewer K's and more BB's.

[Guest]

More relevant to this thread, do we know anything about Girardi that tells us he's an upgrade over Sveum? I know very little about his managing style. If he's not an idiot, I'm fine with that type of move.

 

I hear people talking up Scioscia and Gardenhire and I throw up in my mouth a little.

[Guest]

given the FO, i'd figure a more relevant comparison would be Buchholz, Ellsbury, Masterson, Lowrie, Bowden, Bard, Pedroia, Papelbon, Lester but what the hell do i know; it's probably not as fun to make waives & waives jokes in response to that

I certainly like that wave better.

[Clem Fandango]

Building a lineup that fills in with all 5 guys is fun, but it won't work out that way. I don't really think anyone was seriously doing that in this thread though.

 

I was indeed doing that for fun, because like you said, that [expletive] is fun to think about. Fingers crossed.

[Guest]

More relevant to this thread, do we know anything about Girardi that tells us he's an upgrade over Sveum? I know very little about his managing style. If he's not an idiot, I'm fine with that type of move.

 

I hear people talking up Scioscia and Gardenhire and I throw up in my mouth a little.

IMO he'd be a downgrade. He loves to sac bunt and is about as old timey as one gets. But he pretty smart. Some of my Yankee friends don't lie the way he handles a bullpen but nothing specific. If the choice is he or Sveum, l'll take Dale.

[Guest]

Quick side note...

 

Kelton was really, really overhyped. I'll admit to being a believer back in the day. But looking at his minor league career at this point, there is really only one half of one season that was above average. He was always young for his league, of course. But his rep as a top prospect was really driven by that 2001 season in West Tenn.

[Guest]

More relevant to this thread, do we know anything about Girardi that tells us he's an upgrade over Sveum? I know very little about his managing style. If he's not an idiot, I'm fine with that type of move.

 

I hear people talking up Scioscia and Gardenhire and I throw up in my mouth a little.

IMO he'd be a downgrade. He loves to sac bunt and is about as old timey as one gets. But he pretty smart. Some of my Yankee friends don't lie the way he handles a bullpen but nothing specific. If the choice is he or Sveum, l'll take Dale.

 

That's saying a lot coming from you.

[Gilby]

Dale's bullpen management (which I think he's been unfairly criticized for) would look better if he'd have been able to lean on Robertson and Rivera.

 

I also think it's unfair to blame him for Castro, though I'm not in a position to judge that very well.

[gocubs2118]

Cubs are last in sacrifice bunts in the NL, Yankees are 5th in the AL. That's definitely something I'd give a big advantage to Dale in but not the deciding factor. If Theo and Jed don't see Dale as the long term manager and see someone out there that they want, then they should make the move. If not, might as well hang on to Dale for another year.

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure the number of fanbases that are pleased with their manager's bullpen management is somewhere between zero and zero.

[Sammys Boombox]

I'm pretty sure the number of fanbases that are pleased with their manager's bullpen management is somewhere between zero and zero.

 

Royals are putting together the best bullpen ERA season since 1990 or something. The fans are calling for Ned Yost's head because of his management of the bullpen but not for his "NL style managing," aka, bunting every chance he gets.

[illiniguy]

I'm pretty sure the number of fanbases that are pleased with their manager's bullpen management is somewhere between zero and zero.

 

Royals are putting together the best bullpen ERA season since 1990 or something. The fans are calling for Ned Yost's head because of his management of the bullpen but not for his "NL style managing," aka, bunting every chance he gets.

That and the playing Chris Getz in an everyday role for a huge chunk of the season.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm pretty sure the number of fanbases that are pleased with their manager's bullpen management is somewhere between zero and zero.

 

Royals are putting together the best bullpen ERA season since 1990 or something. The fans are calling for Ned Yost's head because of his management of the bullpen but not for his "NL style managing," aka, bunting every chance he gets.

That and the playing Chris Getz in an everyday role for a huge chunk of the season.

 

http://i.imgur.com/FkXyqbT.png

[illiniguy]

I'm pretty sure the number of fanbases that are pleased with their manager's bullpen management is somewhere between zero and zero.

 

Royals are putting together the best bullpen ERA season since 1990 or something. The fans are calling for Ned Yost's head because of his management of the bullpen but not for his "NL style managing," aka, bunting every chance he gets.

That and the playing Chris Getz in an everyday role for a huge chunk of the season.

 

http://i.imgur.com/FkXyqbT.png

Kind of like what happened to him with the brewers?

[Clem Fandango]

Kind of like what happened to him with the brewers?

 

He got the Brewers in a position to a succeed and the team floundered in the playoff stretch and got released. He literally just got the Royals a winning record a few days ago and people are already calling for his head. He's also likely leading them to the best record he's had as a manager.

 

The Royals winning % each month this season:

 

April: .583

May: .286 (results in hitting coach being fired)

June: .593

July: .600

August: .516

September: .609

 

With the exception of May, which they pinned the results on the hitting coach and judging from their results afterwards appeared to be a contributing factor, the Royals have been pretty damn good.

 

Their average winning % outside of may was .580. .579 since May. Had they sustained a % on average with the rest of their season in the month of May, they'd be the 6th best team in baseball.

 

Let the man have another full year with this rejuvenated team to see what he can accomplish. If the team regresses next season, then can him. But if they want to fire him now because he apparently has mismanaged a bullpen that has a 2.57 ERA, okay, whatever.

[illiniguy]

Kind of like what happened to him with the brewers?

 

He got the Brewers in a position to a succeed and the team floundered in the playoff stretch and got released. He literally just got the Royals a winning record a few days ago and people are already calling for his head. He's also likely leading them to the best record he's had as a manager.

 

The Royals winning % each month this season:

 

April: .583

May: .286 (results in hitting coach being fired)

June: .593

July: .600

August: .516

September: .609

 

With the exception of May, which they pinned the results on the hitting coach and judging from their results afterwards appeared to be a contributing factor, the Royals have been pretty damn good.

 

Their average winning % outside of may was .580. .579 since May. Had they sustained a % on average with the rest of their season in the month of May, they'd be the 6th best team in baseball.

 

Let the man have another full year with this rejuvenated team to see what he can accomplish. If the team regresses next season, then can him. But if they want to fire him now because he apparently has mismanaged a bullpen that has a 2.57 ERA, okay, whatever.

They are playing for next year though. Next year is the last year they have James Shields under control, next year is the reason they made the deal they did. If you stick with Ned, he better be the guy to get you to the playoffs. Otherwise I think Dayton Moore is fired as well.

[treebird]

Kind of like what happened to him with the brewers?

 

He got the Brewers in a position to a succeed and the team floundered in the playoff stretch and got released. He literally just got the Royals a winning record a few days ago and people are already calling for his head. He's also likely leading them to the best record he's had as a manager.

 

The Royals winning % each month this season:

 

April: .583

May: .286 (results in hitting coach being fired)

June: .593

July: .600

August: .516

September: .609

 

With the exception of May, which they pinned the results on the hitting coach and judging from their results afterwards appeared to be a contributing factor, the Royals have been pretty damn good.

 

Their average winning % outside of may was .580. .579 since May. Had they sustained a % on average with the rest of their season in the month of May, they'd be the 6th best team in baseball.

 

Let the man have another full year with this rejuvenated team to see what he can accomplish. If the team regresses next season, then can him. But if they want to fire him now because he apparently has mismanaged a bullpen that has a 2.57 ERA, okay, whatever.

 

best wishes to the royals in the except-for-may playoffs

[Clem Fandango]

True. They also need to retain Santana, do they not?

 

EDIT: We're getting off topic, my bad.

[illiniguy]

True. They also need to retain Santana, do they not?

 

EDIT: We're getting off topic, my bad.

Yeah and although he has said he would like to stay, they are going to struggle retaining him. But, back to the topic. Sorry for the derail.

[d_money]

If Sgt. Girardi is the man, do we see a return of Larry Rothschild?

[Guest]

Apparently Peter Gammons speculated on the radio that Sveum is out and Brad Ausmus is a candidate.

 

@doc_blume: Peter Gammons Sveum/Ausmus statement at 32:15...  http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd1%2Fd3%2FdQ%2FdR%2Fd8%2F13QR8_4.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5562204937142353421_kSQ1k42NbMVI2uFXgU7BCKMyWw&podcast_name=Mully+and+Hanley+Hour+2+-+9%2F27%2F13&podcast_artist=Mully+and+Hanley&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI