Rick Renteria Named New Cubs Manager

[NOLA]

Who in MLB right now would you guys consider a good manager? Besides Joe Maddon.

 

Hurdle, Matheny, Francona, Melvin, Showalter, Girardi

 

A serious question: Mike Scioscia? He probably will be available.

I wanted Girardi when we hired Svuem. I'll take him now.

Dear god, no

 

I'm asking because I don't know much about him. What's Scioscia's problem?

[mul21]

Who in MLB right now would you guys consider a good manager? Besides Joe Maddon.

 

Hurdle, Matheny, Francona, Melvin, Showalter, Girardi

 

A serious question: Mike Scioscia? He probably will be available.

I wanted Girardi when we hired Svuem. I'll take him now.

Dear god, no

 

I'm asking because I don't know much about him. What's Scioscia's problem?

 

He's west coast Ryno.

[Clem Fandango]

Who in MLB right now would you guys consider a good manager? Besides Joe Maddon.

 

Hurdle, Matheny, Francona, Melvin, Showalter, Girardi

 

A serious question: Mike Scioscia? He probably will be available.

I wanted Girardi when we hired Svuem. I'll take him now.

Dear god, no

 

I'm asking because I don't know much about him. What's Scioscia's problem?

 

Two words... Jeff Mathis.

[Guest]

Who in MLB right now would you guys consider a good manager? Besides Joe Maddon.

 

Hurdle, Matheny, Francona, Melvin, Showalter, Girardi

 

A serious question: Mike Scioscia? He probably will be available.

I wanted Girardi when we hired Svuem. I'll take him now.

Dear god, no

 

I'm asking because I don't know much about him. What's Scioscia's problem?

 

Two words... Jeff Mathis.

I would have gone with Mike Napoli, but, same thing.

[seanimal]

it's non-trivial that despite the abysmal reality that is the major-league team, to a man they still appear to be actually trying to win baseball games. i know that's an uncomfortable arena cause it invites all sorts of "he's a grinder" vs. "he's lazy and happens-to-be-not-white" type stuff. however, i think it at least makes the idea that dale sveum is somehow an impediment to this team's success at winning ballgames a little bit ridiculous

 

our problem is that we don't have enough quality major-league players to help us win baseball games

[jersey cubs fan]

it's non-trivial that despite the abysmal reality that is the major-league team, to a man they still appear to be actually trying to win baseball games. i know that's an uncomfortable arena cause it invites all sorts of "he's a grinder" vs. "he's lazy and happens-to-be-not-white" type stuff. however, i think it at least makes the idea that dale sveum is somehow an impediment to this team's success at winning ballgames a little bit ridiculous

 

our problem is that we don't have enough quality major-league players to help us win baseball games

 

In English are you trying to say:

 

This team is still trying and that is a credit to Sveum?

[UMFan83]

it's non-trivial that despite the abysmal reality that is the major-league team, to a man they still appear to be actually trying to win baseball games. i know that's an uncomfortable arena cause it invites all sorts of "he's a grinder" vs. "he's lazy and happens-to-be-not-white" type stuff. however, i think it at least makes the idea that dale sveum is somehow an impediment to this team's success at winning ballgames a little bit ridiculous

 

our problem is that we don't have enough quality major-league players to help us win baseball games

 

In English are you trying to say:

 

This team is still trying and that is a credit to Sveum?

 

I'm shocked that a roster filled with marginal MLB quality players is still playing hard and trying to win. Sorry I don't give Sveum any credit for that. Pretty much every player on that roster is playing for something in the future.

[UK1679666180]

Im indifferent whether or not they fire Sveum or not. If they do, you can point to the regression of Castro and Rizzo or if they keep him, Id understand too.

 

I will say, if it's a repeat then time to move on. He's done nothing to merit an extension.

[jersey cubs fan]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

[NOLA]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

 

Because spending money on a competent manager would be madness.

[jersey cubs fan]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

 

Because spending money on a competent manager would be madness.

 

If competency is the standard we judge on, then I think Sveum qualifies.

[NOLA]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

 

Because spending money on a competent manager would be madness.

 

If competency is the standard we judge on, then I think Sveum qualifies.

 

Sorry. That was a little bit hyperbolic on my part. I should have said a "good" manager.

[Soul]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

 

Because spending money on a competent manager would be madness.

 

If competency is the standard we judge on, then I think Sveum qualifies.

 

I think we might be a year early on the real debate over Sveum's time here, but I also don't see anything in particular that would be hard to replace.

 

He'll probably be measured against Rizzo and Castro's career path and just given the axe if they don't pan out.

[Guest]

On another topic, I am concerned Bosio might collapse going up the steps out of the dugout. Does this bother anyone else?

[Abe Frohman]

Hoyer: Hey Dale, we have a legitimate shot at the 3rd pick. Make it happen.

Sveum: I'll see what I can do.

Jackson: I'm trying to win 10 games, here!

Sveum: Get with the program.

[NOLA]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

 

Because spending money on a competent manager would be madness.

 

If competency is the standard we judge on, then I think Sveum qualifies.

 

I think we might be a year early on the real debate over Sveum's time here, but I also don't see anything in particular that would be hard to replace.

 

He'll probably be measured against Rizzo and Castro's career path and just given the axe if they don't pan out.

 

Yep. Agreed on that.

I just maintain that at some point everyone in the organization has to be held accountable, and Dale's mistakes make his situation a no-brainer IMO. He harped on a few points when he was hired like putting out consistent line-ups, playing sound baseball and not beating yourselves, none of which have come to pass. His calling card was being a great hitting coach and our young core has regressed offensively (sans Wellington). I just don't see why we should wait, but you are probably right.

[Guest]

Francona

[Guest]

I say bring him back and try to get him to sign an extension for less money now that he's got such a bad record that other teams may steer clear. No need to spend money on managers.

 

Because spending money on a competent manager would be madness.

 

If competency is the standard we judge on, then I think Sveum qualifies.

 

I think we might be a year early on the real debate over Sveum's time here, but I also don't see anything in particular that would be hard to replace.

 

He'll probably be measured against Rizzo and Castro's career path and just given the axe if they don't pan out.

 

Yep. Agreed on that.

I just maintain that at some point everyone in the organization has to be held accountable, and Dale's mistakes make his situation a no-brainer IMO. He harped on a few points when he was hired like putting out consistent line-ups, playing sound baseball and not beating yourselves, none of which have come to pass. His calling card was being a great hitting coach and our young core has regressed offensively (sans Wellington). I just don't see why we should wait, but you are probably right.

 

His real calling card is defensive alignments.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yep. Agreed on that.

I just maintain that at some point everyone in the organization has to be held accountable, and Dale's mistakes make his situation a no-brainer IMO. He harped on a few points when he was hired like putting out consistent line-ups, playing sound baseball and not beating yourselves, none of which have come to pass. His calling card was being a great hitting coach and our young core has regressed offensively (sans Wellington). I just don't see why we should wait, but you are probably right.

 

WTF does "consistent lineups" have to do with anything. He was given a god awful roster. It sucks. The Cubs have lost a lot because they have a horrible roster.

[Clem Fandango]

Yep. Agreed on that.

I just maintain that at some point everyone in the organization has to be held accountable, and Dale's mistakes make his situation a no-brainer IMO. He harped on a few points when he was hired like putting out consistent line-ups, playing sound baseball and not beating yourselves, none of which have come to pass. His calling card was being a great hitting coach and our young core has regressed offensively (sans Wellington). I just don't see why we should wait, but you are probably right.

 

WTF does "consistent lineups" have to do with anything. He was given a god awful roster. It sucks. The Cubs have lost a lot because they have a horrible roster.

 

I also don't understand the heat for batting Barney 2nd. Yeah, he sucks, but putting Castro there wasn't exactly leading to more runs.

 

Maybe I'm a Sveum apologist, but you can't polish a turd into a diamond. I don't fault the guy for attempting to mix things up during meaningless games when doing things by the book has worked soooo well for the team this season.

[NOLA]

Yep. Agreed on that.

I just maintain that at some point everyone in the organization has to be held accountable, and Dale's mistakes make his situation a no-brainer IMO. He harped on a few points when he was hired like putting out consistent line-ups, playing sound baseball and not beating yourselves, none of which have come to pass. His calling card was being a great hitting coach and our young core has regressed offensively (sans Wellington). I just don't see why we should wait, but you are probably right.

 

WTF does "consistent lineups" have to do with anything. He was given a god awful roster. It sucks. The Cubs have lost a lot because they have a horrible roster.

 

First of all, he was the guy saying he believed it was important to have a consistent line-up so that batters could get accustomed to it and the whole line-up could develop a rhythm. How much stock you put into this theory is up to you, but I do see that logic. Castro has stunk but he also has bounced all over the place, with different approaches in each spot.

Again, the W/L record isn't the issue. It's his day to day management.

 

EDIT: The roster does indeed suck, but things like making stupid mental mistakes and playing a decent brand of baseball can be developed.

[davell]

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77475907/ Edited September 20, 2013 by davell

[Soul]

Bad link.

[davell]

Bad link.

Should work now. Just Phil Rogers, but he does actually bring up a few good points.

[seanimal]

it's non-trivial that despite the abysmal reality that is the major-league team, to a man they still appear to be actually trying to win baseball games. i know that's an uncomfortable arena cause it invites all sorts of "he's a grinder" vs. "he's lazy and happens-to-be-not-white" type stuff. however, i think it at least makes the idea that dale sveum is somehow an impediment to this team's success at winning ballgames a little bit ridiculous

 

our problem is that we don't have enough quality major-league players to help us win baseball games

 

In English are you trying to say:

 

This team is still trying and that is a credit to Sveum?

 

I'm shocked that a roster filled with marginal MLB quality players is still playing hard and trying to win. Sorry I don't give Sveum any credit for that. Pretty much every player on that roster is playing for something in the future.

 

you can say that about every roster ever. in practice, it doesn't actually happen to teams in this position all that often. i mean just look at the past history of this team alone. there are pretty glaring examples under previous managers of players just giving up or mailing it in or not really with the program. in fact, it's happened with every manager in the last decade, except for sveum (yet)

 

shocking as it may seem, keeping a pretty crappy team mentally engaged and positive in this abusive relationship is a managerial accomplishment