Random Cubs Musings

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Cubs are going to be in the NLCS in 2017? Awesome.

 

Can't be awful forever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's two whole years before 2019! When the hell did Kyle get so optimistic?

 

It's Bryant. He's pushing up the timetable to playoff failures singlehandedly.

[Gmoney08]

Ricketts opens up the pocket books to sign Stanton in two years outright without trading that talent.

 

What team would give up the insane haul it would take to land Stanton without it being all but a sure thing that they could lock him up?

 

Let me have my dream..

 

Anyways, it wouldnt be totally unprecedented. The Astros traded for Beltran in a playoff stretch who at the time was probably regarded as just as much if not more a superstar as Stanton then lost him to the Mets.

 

They also lost Randy Johnson after a playoff stretch trade a few years before that as well.

 

As for what team would do that.. for some reason I could see the White Sox if they ever have good prospects trade the farm for a playoff run of Giancarlo and then fail to sign him.

[Clem Fandango]

The WS barely have enough prospects to coerce white Mike Stanton out of retirement, but I see your point.

[Sammy Sofa]

They also gave up a lot less because they traded for someone at the end of their deal. The Marlins would come out with a lot more if they trade him in the offseason or this year if they fall off.

[Guest]

They also gave up a lot less because they traded for someone at the end of their deal. The Marlins would come out with a lot more if they trade him in the offseason or this year if they fall off.

 

Astros actually gave up quite a bit for Randy Johnson, IIRC.

 

That was a different era, though.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just for context in the Beltran deal: the Astros gave up John Buck and Octavio Dotel. The A's gave up Mike Wood and Mark Teahen.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

If the White Sox really wanted Stanton they should have traded Ozzie Guillen for him when they had the chance.

[Sammy Sofa]

They also gave up a lot less because they traded for someone at the end of their deal. The Marlins would come out with a lot more if they trade him in the offseason or this year if they fall off.

 

Astros actually gave up quite a bit for Randy Johnson, IIRC.

 

That was a different era, though.

 

Meh. Guillen certainly hurt, but Freddy Garcia was Freddy Garcia. For a team in contention it certainly wasn't that bad at all.

[Guest]

They also gave up a lot less because they traded for someone at the end of their deal. The Marlins would come out with a lot more if they trade him in the offseason or this year if they fall off.

 

Astros actually gave up quite a bit for Randy Johnson, IIRC.

 

That was a different era, though.

 

Meh. Guillen certainly hurt, but Freddy Garcia was Freddy Garcia. For a team in contention it certainly wasn't that bad at all.

 

Freddy Garcia was pretty damn good (and actually did more for the mariners than guillen ever did)

 

two prospects that became credible major leaguers for 2 months of randy johnson is pretty bad.

 

johnson did make the best of it for them though.

[Sammy Sofa]

They also gave up a lot less because they traded for someone at the end of their deal. The Marlins would come out with a lot more if they trade him in the offseason or this year if they fall off.

 

Astros actually gave up quite a bit for Randy Johnson, IIRC.

 

That was a different era, though.

 

Meh. Guillen certainly hurt, but Freddy Garcia was Freddy Garcia. For a team in contention it certainly wasn't that bad at all.

 

Freddy Garcia was pretty damn good (and actually did more for the mariners than guillen ever did)

 

two prospects that became credible major leaguers for 2 months of randy johnson is pretty bad.

 

johnson did make the best of it for them though.

 

Well, yeah, if you're going by what they became vs. what they were rated at the the time. If we're going by what happened after the fact then the Cubs got absolutely raped in the Harden deal and they were looking for a similar need AND they got a whole extra year our of their target.

[Clem Fandango]

I like what Donaldson has become, but I genuinely think he wouldn't even be up at the MLB level if he stayed in our system given he would've been under the no patience/no advanced technology/no advanced anything approach that plagued the Hendry regime's minor league systems for a few more years. Enough for him to get indoctrinated to the approach.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't care what Donaldson has become the Harden deal was still a great deal for the Cubs.

 

 

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[Guest]

That's not a great comp. Garcia and Guillen were very highly regarded as prospects (at least, IIRC) and their MLB careers followed suit.

 

Donaldson was a freak throw in who turned into something good.

[Sammy Sofa]

That's not a great comp. Garcia and Guillen were very highly regarded as prospects (at least, IIRC) and their MLB careers followed suit.

 

Donaldson was a freak throw in who turned into something good.

 

So now we're back to looking at it based on how they were rated before the trade as opposed to how it worked out.

 

Whichever way works, right?

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't care what Donaldson has become the Harden deal was still a great deal for the Cubs.

 

 

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It was the right move to make, as were the pickups for the Astros given the position they were in. In this day and age nobody is trading for Stanton at the end of his contract and running the risk they only have him for a playoff run.

[Guest]

What on earth are you talking about?

[Sammy Sofa]

What on earth are you talking about?

 

The Marlins aren't waiting until the end of Stanton's final year to trade him, and the Astros' trades for players they ultimately only had for playoff runs weren't really that bad given how good the Astros were.

[Guest]

That's not a great comp. Garcia and Guillen were very highly regarded as prospects (at least, IIRC) and their MLB careers followed suit.

 

Donaldson was a freak throw in who turned into something good.

 

So now we're back to looking at it based on how they were rated before the trade as opposed to how it worked out.

 

Whichever way works, right?

 

It's mainly what they were at the time. You were the first to really go into what they later became and I argued that that package ended up being much better than what you made it out to be.

[Sammy Sofa]

That's not a great comp. Garcia and Guillen were very highly regarded as prospects (at least, IIRC) and their MLB careers followed suit.

 

Donaldson was a freak throw in who turned into something good.

 

So now we're back to looking at it based on how they were rated before the trade as opposed to how it worked out.

 

Whichever way works, right?

 

It's mainly what they were at the time. You were the first to really go into what they later became and I argued that that package ended up being much better than what you made it out to be.

 

Garcia and Gallagher were both top 100 prospects. Yeah, Donaldson obviously wasn't anywhere near the prospect Guillen was, but he's annihilating things now and has already had a season better than Guillen ever did and is still kicking ass, so I feel pretty confident looking at it being relatively comparable. The Astros were really good at the time of both trades, so it's not like they torpedoed themselves by going for it and not holding on to who they traded for or based on who they lost.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Castillo's slash line down to 244/288/388.

 

We probably won't be able to get around to it soon because of all the other holes, but catcher will need upgrading/replacing in the next few years while we are thinking about maybe trying to be good.

[Guest]

Castillo's slash line down to 244/288/388.

 

We probably won't be able to get around to it soon because of all the other holes, but catcher will need upgrading/replacing in the next few years while we are thinking about maybe trying to be good.

 

Why is he walking so little?

 

3.8% this year

9.0% last year

[Guest]

Last year first half: 266/324/353 4.9% bb, 22.8% K

Last year second half: 288/388/475 12.7% bb, 22.4% K

 

 

I think the question is why is he such a slow starter?

[ScrubMD]

Hopefully we bring up Lopez before too long and the combo of him and Castillo can be league average'ish for a few years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Last year first half: 266/324/353 4.9% bb, 22.8% K

Last year second half: 288/388/475 12.7% bb, 22.4% K

 

 

I think the question is why is he such a slow starter?

 

I don't think id label him a slow starter based on last year's numbers and the assumption that he'll wind up hitting well in the 2nd half this year