Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Sammy Sofa]

Is Cutler a SB winning QB if he doesn't progress and gets protected like he did in Denver? No. He has to get better. Get smarter.

 

Just about any QB can be a SB winning QB.

 

Yes. Dilfer did. But on this team, Cutler has to be Pro Bowl level.

 

Interesting, considering the defense on this team was the best in the NFL last year. Didn't realize losing gimpy Brian Urlacher made this a team that had to rely completely on its offense/QB to get anywhere.

 

Third in points. But the Bears were going nowhere in the playoffs if they had made it even with a better line if Cutler is not significantly better. The player who plays the single most important position in all of team sports has to be great unless you are on the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens.

 

Nah, they can be good.

[JonJayCutler]

Edwards shouldn't have any problem beating out Palmer for a roster spot, and quite frankly once he learns the system should edge out McCown for backup, IMO.

 

Not that it really matters or anything.

[Banedon]

What's the measure of decision making? Is it subjective? Just something you're saying you need to see more of, and then when he's successful, you'll claim his decision making improved? Or are you looking at some stats?

 

Some fun with QB's with high interception rates:

 

1998 - Brett Favre - 551 passing attempts - interception rate 4.2% - In the Super Bowl

 

2000 - Trent Dilfer - 226 passing attempts - interception rate 4.9% - Won the Super Bowl

 

2006 - Rex Grossman - 480 passing attempts - interception rate 4.2% - In the Super Bowl

 

 

Cutler's INT% with the Broncos

2006 - Jay Cutler - 137 passing attempt (rookie year, 5 games started) - interception rate 3.6%

2007 - Jay Cutler - 467 passing attempts - interception rate 3.0%

2008 - Jay Cutler - 616 passing attempts - interception rate 2.9%

 

Now Cutler's INT% with the Bears

2009 - Jay Cutler - 555 passing attempts - interception rate 4.7%

2010 - Jay Cutler - 432 passing attempts - interception rate 3.7%

2011 - Jay Cutler - 314 passing attempts (injury) - interception rate 2.2%

2012 - Jay Cutler - 434 passing attempts - interception rate 3.2%

 

So Cutler was doing decently in Denver, gets traded to a team with a crummy offense, and boom, he's crummy. Did Jay turn into a worse player? Maybe after playing on a crummy offense for 4 years, with a new offense practically every year, and getting crushed by defensive lines every night...maybe he has.

 

But if anything, Cutler has very much improved with the Bears. Unless of course we're using some other arbitrary measure of "decisions making" and "elite super-bowlness".

[Guest]

Oh, OK; you're just saying things.

 

How long have you been on this board?

 

are you taking a shot at yourself here?

[Wilson A2000]

Oh, OK; you're just saying things.

 

How long have you been on this board?

 

are you taking a shot at yourself here?

 

Yes. But seriously, what I'm doing is not new to me.

 

Favre threw a bunch of INTs. But he threw a ton of TDs. He made up for it. Cutler hasn't done that here yet. The offense will improve with a real TE, a better Jeffery, and a better line. But that won't even get you to the NFC Champ game. Cutler has to be great.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, he just has to be consistently good.

[Guest]

Oh, OK; you're just saying things.

 

How long have you been on this board?

 

are you taking a shot at yourself here?

 

Yes. But seriously, what I'm doing is not new to me.

 

Favre threw a bunch of INTs. But he threw a ton of TDs. He made up for it. Cutler hasn't done that here yet. The offense will improve with a real TE, a better Jeffery, and a better line. But that won't even get you to the NFC Champ game. Cutler has to be great.

 

Sure it will get you there. And Cutler only had to be good against the packers in 2010.

[Wilson A2000]

Oh, OK; you're just saying things.

 

How long have you been on this board?

 

are you taking a shot at yourself here?

 

Yes. But seriously, what I'm doing is not new to me.

 

Favre threw a bunch of INTs. But he threw a ton of TDs. He made up for it. Cutler hasn't done that here yet. The offense will improve with a real TE, a better Jeffery, and a better line. But that won't even get you to the NFC Champ game. Cutler has to be great.

 

Sure it will get you there. And Cutler only had to be good against the packers in 2010.

 

But in the NFC in 2013, good won't get you there. The NFC is much stronger now. The Seahawks of '10 were one of the worst playoff teams I have ever seen in the second round. A good Jay isn't going to beat Atlanta, San Fran, Seattle, and maybe Washington.

 

Even if he had to be consistently good, that is an improvement which is what I've been saying all along. And Jay has yet to prove he can be consistently good.

[Sammy Sofa]

We've barely seen a consistently good Cutler in a Bears uniform. Calm down with all of this "great" nonsense.

[Banedon]

But in the NFC in 2013, good won't get you there. The NFC is much stronger now. The Seahawks of '10 were one of the worst playoff teams I have ever seen in the second round. A good Jay isn't going to beat Atlanta, San Fran, Seattle, and maybe Washington.

 

They shouldn't even play the season if you know who's gonna be in the playoffs.

[Pushfrog98]

@Gil_Brandt: Talked to a personnel director for @nfl team, says @ChicagoBears rookie Kyle Long playing like 3rd-year player.

I always dislike scouting reports/cliches like this. You know who else is playing like a 3rd year player? J'Marcus Webb. Do they mean a GOOD 3rd year player?

[Guest]

@Gil_Brandt: Talked to a personnel director for @nfl team, says @ChicagoBears rookie Kyle Long playing like 3rd-year player.

I always dislike scouting reports/cliches like this. You know who else is playing like a 3rd year player? J'Marcus Webb. Do they mean a GOOD 3rd year player?

 

Yes, I think that's a safe assumption. That's the problem with character limits in the Twitter world.

 

Long stood out on Friday, especially with his run blocking.

[Guest]

Also, David Terrell is in quite a bit of hot water: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#story/chi-former-bears-top-pick-hit-with-felony-drug-charges-20130819/

[Wilson A2000]

But in the NFC in 2013, good won't get you there. The NFC is much stronger now. The Seahawks of '10 were one of the worst playoff teams I have ever seen in the second round. A good Jay isn't going to beat Atlanta, San Fran, Seattle, and maybe Washington.

 

They shouldn't even play the season if you know who's gonna be in the playoffs.

 

Jay could improve. So could the line. I do think the Bears can win the SB this year.

[Wilson A2000]

Also, David Terrell is in quite a bit of hot water: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#story/chi-former-bears-top-pick-hit-with-felony-drug-charges-20130819/

 

How much money did he make in his career?

[cubbyvirus00]

But in the NFC in 2013, good won't get you there. The NFC is much stronger now. The Seahawks of '10 were one of the worst playoff teams I have ever seen in the second round. A good Jay isn't going to beat Atlanta, San Fran, Seattle, and maybe Washington.

 

They shouldn't even play the season if you know who's gonna be in the playoffs.

 

=D> This is great. I'm tired of the overhyping of Seattle and SF. That division is going to beat each other to a pulp. I definitely think the SB winner is not going to be either of those teams. We can also expect ATL to crap the bed again too.

[RynoRules]

I feel like there's a segment of the Bears fan base, and the media, that wants the Bears to go in a different direction at QB after this season, with Cutler being a free agent. And thus, the more we poke, and critique his every mistake, the more apt to convince others (and the Bears!) that we need to go a different way. Of course, the fact that we have a dozen or so RFA's after this season, and that we have no better options than Jay lined up to take over at the QB position more or less tells me that it's not a matter of "if" Cutler comes back, but for how long and for how much.

 

That's an incredible leap if that's directed at me. Look at the past Bears threads on this site and you will find no bigger Jay apologist than me. All I'm saying is that I'd like to see him make better decisions now that he (hopefully) has a better OLine , skill players, and coaching staff. In the past I never faulted Jay because he was often running for his life, throwing to third-rate receivers, and was "supported" by a crappy coaching staff. Things have changed some, so my expectations are higher.

 

That said, I agree that - unless we wind up with an early 1st Round pick (Bridgewater? Boyd?) - there isn't anyone who can step in.

[WrigleyField 22]

You can also be an inconsistent QB and put together a good 4 game stretch (ie- the last two SN winning QBs).

[Guest]

Oh, OK; you're just saying things.

 

How long have you been on this board?

 

are you taking a shot at yourself here?

 

Yes. But seriously, what I'm doing is not new to me.

 

Favre threw a bunch of INTs. But he threw a ton of TDs. He made up for it. Cutler hasn't done that here yet. The offense will improve with a real TE, a better Jeffery, and a better line. But that won't even get you to the NFC Champ game. Cutler has to be great.

 

Sure it will get you there. And Cutler only had to be good against the packers in 2010.

 

But in the NFC in 2013, good won't get you there. The NFC is much stronger now. The Seahawks of '10 were one of the worst playoff teams I have ever seen in the second round. A good Jay isn't going to beat Atlanta, San Fran, Seattle, and maybe Washington.

 

Even if he had to be consistently good, that is an improvement which is what I've been saying all along. And Jay has yet to prove he can be consistently good.

 

That's ridiculous. It won't take greatness to beat the falcons in the playoffs, everybody does it. Maybe the Niners but I'm not convinced Kaepernick is the second coming, and as for Seattle, we had them beaten last year and it took an historic collapse by the defense to knock us out of the playoffs there.

 

Washington doesn't scare me at all.

 

The Bears need to play good football, Jay needz to play well, have QB rating above 85, throw for 3500 or so and 24/10 and we'll be there in the mix to steal a title.

[Guest]

I really hope Jay puts up better numbers than that...particularly the TDs

[Guest]

For the record, I think Jay goes for 4500 and 30/15 and the [expletive] mud dawgs win the bourbon bowl.

[RynoRules]

I'm hoping for 35-15.

[Guest]

I would take that.

[cubbyvirus00]

If this doesn't get you hyped, I don't know what will

 

[Banedon]

How did we all watch sports before HD?