The 2012 Offseason Thread

[Guest]

So you're assuming Longoria's contract is any kind of a norm for a player of that caliber?

Again, an example to show it isn't impossible to have a great player at less than exorbitant prices. What is my burden of proof to show that statement is dumb no matter how you want to try to defend it?

 

So your plan is to pray to the gods and sacrifice many animals that any FA the Cubs are targeting or top tier players they're developing are represented by Paul Cohen?

Do you not understand the concept of "impossible" that I was specifically answering?

 

Yes, I understand you're picking on a single post as narrowly as possible to try and make it sound like someone was saying it was impossible to acquire elite talent any other way besides excessive FA spending.

Go back and read the context. That's exactly what he said. Page 59 about 2/3 down, iirc.

[Sammy Sofa]

Go back and read the context. That's exactly what he said. Page 59 about 2/3 down, iirc.

 

You honestly think jersey has no understanding of a team's ability to develop elite talent?

[Sammy Sofa]

You want to paint this as a slam dunk, but it just isn't one.

 

Nope. Nobody is talking about this like you wouldn't be taking a chance. The point is that it's a chance worth taking due to the talent involved.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Sammy Sofa

[Guest]

Go back and read the context. That's exactly what he said. Page 59 about 2/3 down, iirc.

 

You honestly think jersey has no understanding of a team's ability to develop elite talent?

Yes, his actual statement was ridiculous hyperbole on his part. He obviously knows better. I called him out on it. A big deal was made of that by others. I'm not sure why.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because it's a meaningless thing to harp on since everybody knows he obviously wasn't discounting internal development or trades. It was seemingly an attempt to deflect.

[Guest]

You want to paint this as a slam dunk, but it just isn't one.

 

Nope. Nobody is talking about this like you wouldn't be taken a chance. The point is that it's a chance worth taking due to the talent involved.

Based on the comments I'm reading here, people may acknowledge that there's risk involved, but that it would be a slam dunk to accept that risk in the case of King Felix. Or am I reading that incorrectly? Because if there's more nuance in the position of you, goony, tt, imb and a few others than that, I'm not seeing it.

[Guest]

Because it's a meaningless thing to harp on since everybody knows he obviously wasn't discounting internal development or trades. It was seemingly an attempt to deflect.

It seems to me that the intentional use of ridiculous hyperbole is more of an attempt to deflect than calling it out when it occurs.

[Tracer Bullet]

Because it's a meaningless thing to harp on since everybody knows he obviously wasn't discounting internal development or trades. It was seemingly an attempt to deflect.

It seems to me that the intentional use of ridiculous hyperbole is more of an attempt to deflect than calling it out when it occurs.

 

How else is one supposed to use hyperbole? It's supposed to be an intentional and obvious exaggeration.

[Guest]

Because it's a meaningless thing to harp on since everybody knows he obviously wasn't discounting internal development or trades. It was seemingly an attempt to deflect.

It seems to me that the intentional use of ridiculous hyperbole is more of an attempt to deflect than calling it out when it occurs.

 

How else is one supposed to use hyperbole? It's supposed to be an intentional and obvious exaggeration.

What does the use of hyperbole add to the discussion other than deflection?

[Tracer Bullet]

So we're stamping out the use of hyperbole? I guess I don't understand what's being called out. Or maybe the purpose behind it. You want jersey to come in and admit that his post was an obvious exaggeration?

[Guest]

Apparently, Rosenthal mentioned the Cubs as a possible landing spot for Bourn this morning on MLB Network.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/new-york-mets-michael-bourn-free-agency-draft-pick-compensation-cubs-indians-rangers-mariners-021113

 

Other clubs might have greater interest in Bourn than is being reported currently — and those clubs could sign Bourn without needing to wait for the union and baseball to resolve the draft-pick question, potentially in arbitration.

 

These four clubs, in particular, could be fits:

 

CHICAGO CUBS: Their outfield currently consists of David DeJesus in center, Alfonso Soriano in left and a platoon of Nate Schierholtz and Scott Hairston in right.

 

The addition of Bourn would allow the Cubs to shift DeJesus to a corner and provide greater incentive to trade Soriano, who is owed $36 million over the next two seasons.

 

The Cubs’ first-round pick is protected — they select second overall, behind the Houston Astros. Signing Bourn would cost them their second-round pick and corresponding slot money. That pick currently projects to No. 42 overall.

 

Appears to be more speculation than a sourced report, but I figured I'd pass it on anyway.

[Guest]

So we're stamping out the use of hyperbole? I guess I don't understand what's being called out. Or maybe the purpose behind it. You want jersey to come in and admit that his post was an obvious exaggeration?

Calling out hyperbole is being stamped out?

 

He made one comment, I made one comment in return. Others then wouldn't let it go (and I kept responding).

[davell]

Olney just said we're hanging around on the fringes of Bourn.

[SouthSideRyan]

Apparently, Rosenthal mentioned the Cubs as a possible landing spot for Bourn this morning on MLB Network.

 

He better come for 1Y/3M

[Guest]

Apparently, Rosenthal mentioned the Cubs as a possible landing spot for Bourn this morning on MLB Network.

 

He better come for 1Y/3M

Weak effort for you.

[Sammy Sofa]

You want to paint this as a slam dunk, but it just isn't one.

 

Nope. Nobody is talking about this like you wouldn't be taken a chance. The point is that it's a chance worth taking due to the talent involved.

Based on the comments I'm reading here, people may acknowledge that there's risk involved, but that it would be a slam dunk to accept that risk in the case of King Felix. Or am I reading that incorrectly? Because if there's more nuance in the position of you, goony, tt, imb and a few others than that, I'm not seeing it.

 

There's no need to look for nuance; the obvious point that some of us are taking is that it's worth the risk with a talent THAT unique. Nobody is saying it's a "slam dunk" like he's a lock to not get hurt; hell, I highly doubt there's anyone saying you wouldn't be eating a ton of cash with a deal like that. Some of us just think that's likely to be an inherent cost of signing someone on this talent-level. Sure, if you can swing a miracle deal like Longoria's, great, but this seems much more likely.

[hawkeyecub]

Now the local beat guys are saying there's no chance of Bourn.

[Post Count Padder]

Soooooooooo this just happened

 

Michael Bourn has agreed to a deal with the Indians, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (on Twitter).

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#D8pw4za1FHD2QAK6.99

[NonProfitCow]

4 years 48 mil

[davell]

Solid deal for the Indians. Gain Swisher and Bourn, lose 2nd and 3rd rounders. Solidly in contention in Central.

[Rob]

The Indians seem pretty committed to rebounding from last year, but I'm still not sure they're anymore than a .500ish club.

 

That's an interesting lineup now, at least. Lots of options for the manager on any given day.

[Guest]

So, a pretty equivalent deal to what we gave Jackson. Man, I would not have been opposed to giving him that. Especially since you could then trade Soriano to save money and recoup the lost draft value if you needed/wanted to.

[Cubswin11]

Solid deal for the Indians. Gain Swisher and Bourn, lose 2nd and 3rd rounders. Solidly in contention in Central.

Plus they gain Bauer in the Choo deal, Choo and Swisher are pretty equal and Bauer is likely going to be a better prospect than anyone they could've taken in the 2nd/3rd round.

[davell]

I pretty much want to keep Garza at this point longterm. But, if Cleveland offered us Bauer+ for him(us paying some salary) I'd think really hard about it. They seem to be in "go for it" mode and they need SP.

[Clem Fandango]

So much for that $100 million contract he wanted