2013 Hall of Fame voting

[pitchcs]

I would vote for:

 

Mike Piazza

Craig Biggio

Jeff Bagwell

[Banedon]

Wilbon says he would vote for Biggio, Morris, Raines and Schilling. But he doesn't have a vote.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wilbon says he would vote for Biggio, Morris, Raines and Schilling. But he doesn't have a vote.

 

Good, because that's a shitty ballot.

[DivineBovine]

Bonds and Clemens should be a lock. But I would definitely say no to Sosa and McGwire.

[Banedon]

Bonds and Clemens should be a lock. But I would definitely say no to Sosa and McGwire.

 

Why? Too one dimensional?

[DivineBovine]

Bonds and Clemens should be a lock. But I would definitely say no to Sosa and McGwire.

 

Why? Too one dimensional?

 

 

Because Bonds and Clemens had hall of fame careers, even when considering performance enhancements from steroids, and McGwire and Sosa didn't. It's as simple as that. Of course there is no good way to do it. It has to be a judgement call. But you can't just keep everyone out, and you can't ignore steroids either.

 

Sosa would've arguably been a career .250 hitter with 400 career homeruns and a crap OBP

McGwire's home run/BA totals in his mid 20's: 49/289 , 32/260 , 33/231 ,39/235 ,22/201 , 42/268

 

If you were linked to steroids, you can't give them the benefit of the doubt. If anything, you penalize them a little. So Sosa and McGwire are out.

 

But Barry Bonds was a great player before he ever touched steroids, when McGwire and Sosa were hitting 60 homers. And he was absolutely inhuman, the most dominant player of all-time, in a time where up to 30-40% of players were juicing. Everyone is in a different situation. But you have to judge them case by case.

[Banedon]

There's no reasonable way to seperate "steroid performance" from "non-steroid performance" within the same player. Your whole post was pure speculative nonsense.

[CubInOK]

As expected, no one gets voted in.

[Cubswin11]

As expected, no one gets voted in.

This is Awesome.

[davell]

What a joke. I had a tiny bit of hope Raines would sneak in during a year that set up like this.

[sneakypower]

http://bbwaa.com/13-hof-ballots/

 

of [expletive] course Murray Chass' ballot looks like that

[sneakypower]

If it wasn't such a stacked ballot, I'd throw a vote Todd Walker's way just for being hot and awesome

somebody did this!

[Clem Fandango]

http://i.imgur.com/e7g3g.jpg

[Guest]

robneyer ‏@robneyer

Wow. @Ken_Rosenthal, who I really like, just compared sabermetric community to Tea Party. Not a great way to foster rational discourse!

[Banedon]

http://i.imgur.com/e7g3g.jpg

 

That doesn't quite add up to me. Clemens had more votes than Bonds. So I don't know how that math works out.

[shnsajax]

Seeing pissed Astros fans is fun for me.

[DivineBovine]

There's no reasonable way to seperate "steroid performance" from "non-steroid performance" within the same player. Your whole post was pure speculative nonsense.

 

 

Why would you say that? I think it's pretty reasonable.

 

I think it's nonsense to decide yes or no strictly on the basis of whether thy touched the stuff. And I think it's nonsense to ignore steroids and take Sosa's numbers at face value.

[Banedon]

There's no reasonable way to seperate "steroid performance" from "non-steroid performance" within the same player. Your whole post was pure speculative nonsense.

 

 

Why would you say that? I think it's pretty reasonable.

 

I think it's nonsense to decide yes or no strictly on the basis of whether thy touched the stuff. And I think it's nonsense to ignore steroids and take Sosa's numbers at face value.

 

Steroids shouldn't be a factor in Hall of Fame voting. There's other cheaters in the Hall of Fame. It's not some bastion of purity. Vote based on the numbers. Not based on suspicions and accusations.

[Banedon]

Hahaha. This is well done. Obviously not really Piazza....

 

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/did-i-do-something-wrong-because-i-really-dont-understand-this-at-all/

[Gilby]

It really bothers me that people like Pedro Gomez are deciding this.

 

Barry Larkin, on the other hand, is sounding very logical on Baseball Tonight right now.

[Guest]

I don't really care who they let in, but a some point I think they should all get together and decide a better way to handle the steroid era players.

 

Bigio, Bagwell, and Piazza should be in.

[mookie]

Barry Bonds didn't make it. Travesty.

[NewUserName]

http://i.imgur.com/e7g3g.jpg

 

I don't get why it is assumed that Biggio was clean. Also if you didn't vote for Bonds how could you vote for Piazza? I think it is for reasons like this that they should just put them in based on the numbers and let public opinion be what it is....opinion.

[J.R.]

Do you remember me? Normally I wouldn’t ask that because I seem to remember being quite famous a few years ago, but it seems like several hundred people whose business it was to follow my career have forgotten me, and I just don’t know how to deal with that. I mean, I know there were better players than me, but I hit .308/.377/.545 for my career with 427 homers in 16 seasons. My career OPS+ was 143. The next three catchers on that list whose careers have already ended are Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey and Johnny Bench, and they’re way behind. I played in the World Series. Everyone said when I played that I was heading to the Hall of Fame.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/did-i-do-something-wrong-because-i-really-dont-understand-this-at-all/

[pitchcs]

How on earth does Teddy Greenstein have a vote?