Game 10 - BEARS @ San Francisco 49ers - 7:30 MNF

[Guest]

Not "really, really good" doesn't = bad, though. And I hate to keep qualifying because of the subjectivity of the term, but not all QBs who aren't franchise QBs are bad, either. *shrug*

 

Your stance on this issue makes no sense.

 

I think it's your ability to comprehend that is at issue.

 

Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Different era? Fine. Alex Smith very well may win a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman came very close to winning a Super Bowl.

 

Any quarterback on any team that gets into the playoffs and happens to win 3-4 games in a row will win a Super Bowl. The relatively quality of said quarterbacks could range extremely widely.

 

Asking if x player "can win a Super Bowl" is the dumbest thing ever, even at QB. Of course Jay Cutler can win a Super Bowl. The Bears have about as good a chance as anyone this year to do that. That doesn't mean he's a great quarterback.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not "really, really good" doesn't = bad, though. And I hate to keep qualifying because of the subjectivity of the term, but not all QBs who aren't franchise QBs are bad, either. *shrug*

 

Your stance on this issue makes no sense.

 

I think it's your ability to comprehend that is at issue.

 

Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Different era? Fine. Alex Smith very well may win a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman came very close to winning a Super Bowl.

 

Any quarterback on any team that gets into the playoffs and happens to win 3-4 games in a row will win a Super Bowl. The relatively quality of said quarterbacks could range extremely widely.

 

Asking if x player "can win a Super Bowl" is the dumbest thing ever, even at QB. Of course Jay Cutler can win a Super Bowl. The Bears have about as good a chance as anyone this year to do that. That doesn't mean he's a great quarterback.

 

I get that anybody can win a super bowl. What I don't get is how you seem to be trying to define a non-franchise QB.

 

Jay Cutler is a franchise QB. He's the Bears franchise QB. He's been here for a while and if he doesn't die soon he'll be here for a long time. And Bears fans with any sense will be happy about that.

[Guest]

Not "really, really good" doesn't = bad, though. And I hate to keep qualifying because of the subjectivity of the term, but not all QBs who aren't franchise QBs are bad, either. *shrug*

 

Your stance on this issue makes no sense.

 

I think it's your ability to comprehend that is at issue.

 

Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Different era? Fine. Alex Smith very well may win a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman came very close to winning a Super Bowl.

 

Any quarterback on any team that gets into the playoffs and happens to win 3-4 games in a row will win a Super Bowl. The relatively quality of said quarterbacks could range extremely widely.

 

Asking if x player "can win a Super Bowl" is the dumbest thing ever, even at QB. Of course Jay Cutler can win a Super Bowl. The Bears have about as good a chance as anyone this year to do that. That doesn't mean he's a great quarterback.

 

I get that anybody can win a super bowl. What I don't get is how you seem to be trying to define a non-franchise QB.

 

Jay Cutler is a franchise QB. He's the Bears franchise QB. He's been here for a while and if he doesn't die soon he'll be here for a long time. And Bears fans with any sense will be happy about that.

 

I acknowledged several times that franchise QB is a vague term that could mean a lot of things. To me, the term only matters if you're asking if he's really good (another vague classification). I think he's fairly mediocre... middle of the pack. A lot of teams would kill to have him, but a lot of teams are better off, too. He has more potential than any of the guys I'd rank around him to step forward, but he has to take some steps forward (continuity in OCs would help a lot) in his play to jump into that category.

 

My point all along was that whether he is a franchise QB is more up for debate than whether or not he can win a Super Bowl, because the poster I replied to said he was, in fact, a franchise QB, but he wasn't sure if he could win a Super Bowl based on some concerns about his play. I'd say it's far more reasonable to reverse the answers to those two questions.

[Guest]

If your definition of franchise qb = "guy who is here and will be here for a long time as long as he doesn't have a stretch of play awful enough to get him benched," what's the point of even asking the question? What's so interesting about that?

[jersey cubs fan]

I acknowledged several times that franchise QB is a vague term that could mean a lot of things. To me, the term only matters if you're asking if he's really good (another vague classification). I think he's fairly mediocre... middle of the pack. A lot of teams would kill to have him, but a lot of teams are better off, too. He has more potential than any of the guys I'd rank around him to step forward, but he has to take some steps forward (continuity in OCs would help a lot) in his play to jump into that category.

 

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

 

He's not going to put up the numbers that a QB from an offensively focused dome team will be able to but he's much better than mediocre. You aren't paying attention if you think he's mediocre.

[Guest]

I acknowledged several times that franchise QB is a vague term that could mean a lot of things. To me, the term only matters if you're asking if he's really good (another vague classification). I think he's fairly mediocre... middle of the pack. A lot of teams would kill to have him, but a lot of teams are better off, too. He has more potential than any of the guys I'd rank around him to step forward, but he has to take some steps forward (continuity in OCs would help a lot) in his play to jump into that category.

 

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

 

He's not going to put up the numbers that a QB from an offensively focused dome team will be able to but he's much better than mediocre. You aren't paying attention if you think he's mediocre.

 

You're not paying attention to the NFL if you don't think his decision making and throwing accuracy leave A LOT to be desired.

[jersey cubs fan]

I acknowledged several times that franchise QB is a vague term that could mean a lot of things. To me, the term only matters if you're asking if he's really good (another vague classification). I think he's fairly mediocre... middle of the pack. A lot of teams would kill to have him, but a lot of teams are better off, too. He has more potential than any of the guys I'd rank around him to step forward, but he has to take some steps forward (continuity in OCs would help a lot) in his play to jump into that category.

 

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

 

He's not going to put up the numbers that a QB from an offensively focused dome team will be able to but he's much better than mediocre. You aren't paying attention if you think he's mediocre.

 

You're not paying attention to the NFL if you don't think his decision making and throwing accuracy leave A LOT to be desired.

 

I think there's plenty of room for improvement, no doubt. But every QB makes bad decisions/throws, and most of them are much worse than Cutler.

[CubColtPacer]

I acknowledged several times that franchise QB is a vague term that could mean a lot of things. To me, the term only matters if you're asking if he's really good (another vague classification). I think he's fairly mediocre... middle of the pack. A lot of teams would kill to have him, but a lot of teams are better off, too. He has more potential than any of the guys I'd rank around him to step forward, but he has to take some steps forward (continuity in OCs would help a lot) in his play to jump into that category.

 

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

 

He's not going to put up the numbers that a QB from an offensively focused dome team will be able to but he's much better than mediocre. You aren't paying attention if you think he's mediocre.

 

You're not paying attention to the NFL if you don't think his decision making and throwing accuracy leave A LOT to be desired.

 

I think there's plenty of room for improvement, no doubt. But every QB makes bad decisions/throws, and most of them are much worse than Cutler.

 

23rd in completion percentage, 21st in yards per attempt, tied for 16th in TD's, tied for 7th most in INT. 24th in QB rating, 30th in Dyar, 30th in DVOA, 19th in QBR. His offense around him is below average but not horrible, and some of those metrics account for that anyway. I don't see any evidence to support him as a top 5-6 QB.

[ctcf]

Sounds like Evan Rodriguez will see some more passes (or any, even) come his way this week.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

There's almost 4 or 5 in his division who have been better.

[jersey cubs fan]

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

There's almost 4 or 5 in his division who have been better.

or 1

[Banedon]

There's like 4 or 5 guys who have been doing a better job than him.

There's almost 4 or 5 in his division who have been better.

or 1

 

Beat me to it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

or 3

[Banedon]

or 3

 

Rodgers is better. Stafford is not, and if you're saying Ponder is better...lol.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

or 3

 

Rodgers is better. Stafford is not, and if you're saying Ponder is better...lol.

They've all certainly been better this season. lol right back at ya.

[Old Style]

Bears re-signed Josh McCown?

[Banedon]

or 3

 

Rodgers is better. Stafford is not, and if you're saying Ponder is better...lol.

They've all certainly been better this season. lol right back at ya.

 

So you would rather have Christian Ponder on this team, as constructed, in place of Cutler?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So you would rather have Christian Ponder on this team, as constructed, in place of Cutler?

That wasn't the point I was arguing. It's ridiculous to think there are only 4 or 5 QBs who have been doing a better job than him when that number right now is closer to 24 or 25.

[jersey cubs fan]

So you would rather have Christian Ponder on this team, as constructed, in place of Cutler?

That wasn't the point I was arguing. It's ridiculous to think there are only 4 or 5 QBs who have been doing a better job than him when that number right now is closer to 24 or 25.

 

A QB on an offensive minded dome team isn't necessarily doing better than Cutler just based off a couple numbers. Cutler is on a defensive minded offensively inept organization with a dolt in his first year as OC. Cutler has to run around and throw to Marshall to make any play.

[Guest]

or 3

 

Rodgers is better. Stafford is not, and if you're saying Ponder is better...lol.

They've all certainly been better this season. lol right back at ya.

 

So you would rather have Christian Ponder on this team, as constructed, in place of Cutler?

 

Of course not, but there's certainly more than 4 or 5.

[Guest]

So you would rather have Christian Ponder on this team, as constructed, in place of Cutler?

That wasn't the point I was arguing. It's ridiculous to think there are only 4 or 5 QBs who have been doing a better job than him when that number right now is closer to 24 or 25.

 

A QB on an offensive minded dome team isn't necessarily doing better than Cutler just based off a couple numbers. Cutler is on a defensive minded offensively inept organization with a dolt in his first year as OC. Cutler has to run around and throw to Marshall to make any play.

 

Has to or wants to?

[Banedon]

or 3

 

Rodgers is better. Stafford is not, and if you're saying Ponder is better...lol.

They've all certainly been better this season. lol right back at ya.

 

So you would rather have Christian Ponder on this team, as constructed, in place of Cutler?

 

Of course not, but there's certainly more than 4 or 5.

 

I was taking issue more with the comparison within the division. Ponder is bad. And I'm not convinced Stafford is all that good either, despite a very good year last year.

[bcl412]

I feel like Cutler having such a weak line hurts him more than it hurts other QB's. I don't feel like he is going to kill you with a quick strike like Brady or Brees. I feel like where he's going to hurt you is be utilizing his strong arm and throwing the ball into tight spaces and hitting deep balls. Bears also need more big, strong receivers.

 

I don't really see why the Bears shouldn't build their offense like the Packers did when Favre was there since Cutler and Favre are so similar.

[Guest]

When I went to see the Cutler show, this guy had some awesome uggs on.

http://i.imgur.com/6SSLp.jpg

[Smack]

Holy crap. Jeans tucked into boots. Jersey tucked into jeans. Trucker hat tipped back. I only see an 8 on the sleeve. Is that a Cade McNown jersey? Podlesh?