Dodgers Win Bid for Ryu-Hyun Jin ($25.7 M)

[cubbyvirus00]

And the next time it'll be some other excuse. But hey, 2 for 6! Reach for the stars! Everything's going to magically align into some kind of wave of man beef in 2015.

 

I just hope that we can start spending like the Dodgers, who have nabbed....2 for 6.

 

 

This is great.

 

 

So we don't post an absurd amount of money for an unproven pitcher who has also gone against sub par competition. This guy wasn't similarly projected like Darvish and Cespedes. Who cares?

[Sammy Sofa]

And the next time it'll be some other excuse. But hey, 2 for 6! Reach for the stars! Everything's going to magically align into some kind of wave of man beef in 2015.

 

I just hope that we can start spending like the Dodgers, who have nabbed....2 for 6.

 

 

This is great.

 

 

So we don't post an absurd amount of money for an unproven pitcher who has also gone against sub par competition. This guy wasn't similarly projected like Darvish and Cespedes. Who cares?

 

Not surprisingly, you're completely missing the point.

[Guest]

And the next time it'll be some other excuse. But hey, 2 for 6! Reach for the stars! Everything's going to magically align into some kind of wave of man beef in 2015.

 

I just hope that we can start spending like the Dodgers, who have nabbed....2 for 6.

 

 

This is great.

 

 

So we don't post an absurd amount of money for an unproven pitcher who has also gone against sub par competition. This guy wasn't similarly projected like Darvish and Cespedes. Who cares?

 

Not surprisingly, you're completely missing the point.

What is your point in using Ryu as an example of your disappointment, then? If you're going to use a mid-level talent like Ryu in your 2-6 calculations, please include Concepcion as a "win" for us in IFA, as well.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Tim's right, but

 

Concepcion..."mid-level"... :lol:

[Guest]

Tim's right, but

 

Concepcion..."mid-level"... :lol:

That was the thought at the time, anyway. Ryu's scouting report is certainly better, but not really overwhelmingly so.

[Sammy Sofa]

What is your point in using Ryu as an example of your disappointment, then? If you're going to use a mid-level talent like Ryu in your 2-6 calculations, please include Concepcion as a "win" for us in IFA, as well.

 

It's just disappointing. They're relatively handcuffed by the new CBA agreement, so I was hoping that international signings were going to be an area where they were going to go nuts and make sure things get done because it's an area where you can ideally kill two birds with one stone and infuse the organization with young talent and get better quicker. No, I wasn't expecting them to get everyone, but I was expecting them to get at least one more of the highly touted guys besides Soler. And if it's also coming down to players simply choosing to not come to the Cubs (Cespedes, Puig), well, I'm not sure how that's really supposed to make anyone feel better.

 

I explained it on the previous page; Ryu is by no means a dealbreaker, but he is unfortunately indicative of a pattern of disappointment in an area (international FA signings) that is critical to the Cubs both improving in the short run and for the future. If you want to subtract the blind bids from that equation, fine; only one of those missed bids really hurts, but only ending up with Soler (as the only IFA singing of real import) thus far isn't a ringing success story. It's a frustrating narrative.

[Guest]

What is your point in using Ryu as an example of your disappointment, then? If you're going to use a mid-level talent like Ryu in your 2-6 calculations, please include Concepcion as a "win" for us in IFA, as well.

 

It's just disappointing. They're relatively handcuffed by the new CBA agreement, so I was hoping that international signings were going to be an area where they were going to go nuts and make sure things get done because it's an area where you can ideally kill two birds with one stone and infuse the organization with young talent and get better quicker. No, I wasn't expecting them to get everyone, but I was expecting them to get at least one more of the highly touted guys besides Soler. And if it's also coming down to players simply choosing to not come to the Cubs (Cespedes, Puig), well, I'm not sure how that's really supposed to make anyone feel better.

 

I explained it on the previous page; Ryu is by no means a dealbreaker, but he is unfortunately indicative of a pattern of disappointment in an area (international FA signings) that is critical to the Cubs both improving in the short run and for the future. If you want to subtract the blind bids from that equation, fine; only one of those missed bids really hurts, but only ending up with Soler (as the only IFA singing of real import) thus far isn't a ringing success story. It's a frustrating narrative.

I don't really even consider Ryu as part of the same narrative others at this point. There comes a time when other teams overspend on a player to the point of stupidity.

 

I also believe we are going to have to come to grips with the reality that until we can get a new TV deal, there are going to be other teams with significantly more financial resources than the Cubs. We cannot get everyone we target in IFA when teams like the Dodgers and Rangers are out there spending like drunken sailors on a stop in Manila.

[Sammy Sofa]

Again: wanting more success in an area is not automatically akin to "signing everyone."

 

And Cespdes was the biggest miss, so you can't blame that one on blind bids or the Rangers and the Dodgers.

[Guest]

Again: wanting more success in an area is not automatically akin to "signing everyone."

 

And Cespdes was the biggest miss, so you can't blame that one on blind bids or the Rangers and the Dodgers.

I agree on really regretting Cespedes (and Puig). Also, please point out anywhere I've blamed anything on the posting system.

[Sammy Sofa]

Again: wanting more success in an area is not automatically akin to "signing everyone."

 

And Cespdes was the biggest miss, so you can't blame that one on blind bids or the Rangers and the Dodgers.

I agree on really regretting Cespedes (and Puig). Also, please point out anywhere I've blamed anything on the posting system.

 

You haven't, but it continually comes up as a caveat when others have accused me of wanting to "sign everyone."

 

Honestly, my tune would be completely different if they had only one more signing in Cespedes or even Puig. I'm not expecting a perfect track record; I'm just expecting/hoping for them to be able to get it done when it's most critical and most doable (Cespdes, and to a lesser extent, Puig). I'd be perfectly fine with them never getting a single blind bid so long as they don't get outdone by the [expletive] A's.

[jersey cubs fan]

And the next time it'll be some other excuse. But hey, 2 for 6! Reach for the stars! Everything's going to magically align into some kind of wave of man beef in 2015.

 

I just hope that we can start spending like the Dodgers, who have nabbed....2 for 6.

 

and everybody else in baseball.

 

If the Cubs were spending money in other areas you'd have a point, but they aren't, so you don't.

[Cubswin11]

And the next time it'll be some other excuse. But hey, 2 for 6! Reach for the stars! Everything's going to magically align into some kind of wave of man beef in 2015.

 

I just hope that we can start spending like the Dodgers, who have nabbed....2 for 6.

 

and everybody else in baseball.

 

If the Cubs were spending money in other areas you'd have a point, but they aren't, so you don't.

New Dominican baseball facilities/academy, upgrades throughout Wrigley (RF wall/bleachers), technology upgrades for FO (put in that system so any one of the FO guys can stream any minor league game remotely and pull up video on any guy, development of new analysis software/hardwar), hiring more scouts/player development/talent evaluators, Castro extension, Soler, Concepcion. Money is being spent

[Guest]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

[Cubswin11]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

In the Dodgers defense, they didn't have the new ownership group/TV deal in place when Soler/Cespedes/Darvish were available.

[davell]

Yeah, the Dodgers aren't 2/6 with this group. Cespedes, Darvish, and Concepcion were all signed before their ownership took over and it's possible we had a deal in place with Soler before they took over as well. The Dodgers are 2/3 or maybe even 2/2.

[SouthSideRyan]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

 

I think the criticism comes from the fact that the Cubs are spending no money on the major league product, so they should be expected to be spending an assload on the minors.

[Sammy Sofa]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

 

As has been ably pointed out, that's a flawed conclusion based on how the spend-crazy Dodgers have only existed for this last round of international FA signings, while the Cubs have had the same FO through both batches. So the Dodgers have actually pulled of what most were clamoring for and seemingly expecting when Soler and Cespedes and Darvish were being discussed; were the discussions here not centered around the Cubs getting at least 2 of 3? And now all of a sudden that's an unrealistic expectation?

[KingCubsFan]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

 

I think the criticism comes from the fact that the Cubs are spending no money on the major league product, so they should be expected to be spending an assload on the minors.

In their defense, they spent $36 million on two players, and apparently also offered a ton to Puig. And they're building a state of the art facility in the Dominican. They're spending a ton on the minors.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think it's disingenuous to lump Concepcion (and to a lesser extent Jin) in with Soler, Cespedes, Darvish, and Puig. I know he's older, but why is Chen never included in these calculations?

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

 

Wow, I didn't figure you'd need it spelled out for you so obviously.

 

The Dodgers are spending, spending on anything and everything. If they only get a few targets from one pool it doesn't really matter because they are in several pools. The Cubs are only swimming in one pool and should be dominating it, but they are not. If you aren't going to spend any effort/money to improve the major league team than you better damn well spend a hell of a lot more money/effort in your self-imposed kiddie pool.

[davell]

I think it's disingenuous to lump Concepcion (and to a lesser extent Jin) in with Soler, Cespedes, Darvish, and Puig. I know he's older, but why is Chen never included in these calculations?

Yeah, Chen should be in there. He's only 3 months older than Cespedes.

[Guest]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

 

Wow, I didn't figure you'd need it spelled out for you so obviously.

 

The Dodgers are spending, spending on anything and everything. If they only get a few targets from one pool it doesn't really matter because they are in several pools. The Cubs are only swimming in one pool and should be dominating it, but they are not. If you aren't going to spend any effort/money to improve the major league team than you better damn well spend a hell of a lot more money/effort in your self-imposed kiddie pool.

 

I know what you mean, but I really feel like this could've been worded significantly less condescendingly.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Dodgers, who are spending tons of money in every sense imaginable, are only able to get 2 of 6 targets in International FA just like the Cubs, then maybe criticizing the Cubs for being unwilling spenders in International FA is not the most logical of criticisms.

 

Wow, I didn't figure you'd need it spelled out for you so obviously.

 

The Dodgers are spending, spending on anything and everything. If they only get a few targets from one pool it doesn't really matter because they are in several pools. The Cubs are only swimming in one pool and should be dominating it, but they are not. If you aren't going to spend any effort/money to improve the major league team than you better damn well spend a hell of a lot more money/effort in your self-imposed kiddie pool.

 

I know what you mean, but I really feel like this could've been worded significantly less condescendingly.

 

His own commentary making fun of people WHO WANT TO SIGN EVERYBODY is condescending enough that I think he can handle it.

[Sammy Sofa]

Plus I think it's less the fault of "Obamacare" so much as a lot of companies have been looking for excuses to pull this kind of stuff back.

[jersey cubs fan]

Plus I think it's less the fault of "Obamacare" so much as a lot of companies have been looking for excuses to pull this kind of stuff back.

 

I ain't blaming obama for the lack of free agents.