Rick Hahn promoted to GM of White Sox

[Pushfrog98]

Kenny Williams promoted to VP of Baseball Operations

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/white-sox-to-promote-williams-hahn-to-be-gm.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That is a significant upgrade.

[bukie]

That is a significant upgrade.

I'm not sure that nobody to Kenny WIlliams is an upgrade.

[Pushfrog98]

That is a significant upgrade.

I'm not sure that nobody to Kenny WIlliams is an upgrade.

"Nobody to Rick Hahn" is the upgrade.

[davell]

Is this just a title issue though? If Kenny is their version of Theo now, then Hahn will thankfully have little impact.

[Guest]

I wasn't convinced that Rick Hahn is actually good at anything when we were looking at him.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I wasn't convinced that Rick Hahn is actually good at anything when we were looking at him.

Agreed, he's a media darling in Chicago and that has driven the narrative of him being a good potential GM hire.

[apete6]

I wasn't convinced that Rick Hahn is actually good at anything when we were looking at him.

Agreed, he's a media darling in Chicago and that has driven the narrative of him being a good potential GM hire.

 

Yeah, how great can he be with that farm system the White Sox have? Basically they've gotten lucky that all of their high priced FA signings/trades/waiver claims had a good year. And that their 35 year old catcher has a .900 OPS.

 

Next year they lose Peavy, everyone else gets older, and Rios does his annual good year/bad year bad year. Also, Sale's arm probably falls off at some point.

 

They have been a good story this year, but that team is not built to last.

[BeerHere]

Williams had a fantastic year. I can;t stand the guy but I think it's pretty clear that he didn't do much wrong for 2012.

[Guest]

I wasn't convinced that Rick Hahn is actually good at anything when we were looking at him.

Whether or not that's the case, bukie's point is still accurate.

[Guest]

Yeah, Kenny's problem is not in that he's a poor negotiator, or even poor at making trades. It's at a strategy level, and making him VP and letting Hahn take over the stuff Kenny wasn't really screwing up before doesn't change things much.

[harrdb00]

Isn't it all about wins and losses, not farm system rankings? If so, I'm pretty sure that whatever the White Sox front office is doing is working for them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Isn't it all about wins and losses, not farm system rankings? If so, I'm pretty sure that whatever the White Sox front office is doing is working for them.

 

 

Their wins and losses under Williams aren't that impressive for a big-market team in a small-market division.

[SouthSideRyan]

I wasn't convinced that Rick Hahn is actually good at anything when we were looking at him.

Agreed, he's a media darling in Chicago and that has driven the narrative of him being a good potential GM hire.

 

Yeah, how great can he be with that farm system the White Sox have? Basically they've gotten lucky that all of their high priced FA signings/trades/waiver claims had a good year. And that their 35 year old catcher has a .900 OPS.

 

Next year they lose Peavy, everyone else gets older, and Rios does his annual good year/bad year bad year. Also, Sale's arm probably falls off at some point.

 

They have been a good story this year, but that team is not built to last.

 

The farm system is terrible because Reinsdorf is a miserable thief of an owner

[Guest]

Isn't it all about wins and losses, not farm system rankings? If so, I'm pretty sure that whatever the White Sox front office is doing is working for them.

 

2 playoff appearances in 11 years in a division that contains 3 of the smallest markets in MLB is very, very low bar if we're going with a "screw process, I just want results" evaluation.

[jersey cubs fan]

Isn't it all about wins and losses, not farm system rankings? If so, I'm pretty sure that whatever the White Sox front office is doing is working for them.

 

 

Their wins and losses under Williams aren't that impressive for a big-market team in a small-market division.

 

Beat out Hendry's cubs pretty easily.

[Guest]

Hendry won 81 games a year and had 3 division titles/playoff appearances in 9 years, and was rightly run out on a rail. Williams has won 84 games a year and has 2 division titles/playoff appearances in 11 years.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hendry won 81 games a year and had 3 division titles/playoff appearances in 9 years, and was rightly run out on a rail. Williams has won 84 games a year and has 2 division titles/playoff appearances in 11 years.

 

Williams doesn't have any easier of a division, as many resources or as good of a chance to sneak in via wild card. He also outperformed Hendry so I don't see what your point is.

[Guest]

Well for one, I'm not sure what the point of bringing up "well Hendry was worse" is. Hendry was fired and Cubs fans roundly rejoiced, so why would being better than Hendry be any sort of measuring stick? Secondly, my point was that there is not a very large difference in the results the two have achieved. While there is more context, the simplified version is that Hendry was mediocre with great resources in a mediocre division and got fired with prejudice, while Williams has been mediocre with good/great resources in a mediocre division and just got promoted. He shares more in common with GMs that get canned than those that get lifted to an even higher position on the food chain.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well for one, I'm not sure what the point of bringing up "well Hendry was worse" is. Hendry was fired and Cubs fans roundly rejoiced, so why would being better than Hendry be any sort of measuring stick? Secondly, my point was that there is not a very large difference in the results the two have achieved. While there is more context, the simplified version is that Hendry was mediocre with great resources in a mediocre division and got fired with prejudice, while Williams has been mediocre with good/great resources in a mediocre division and just got promoted. He shares more in common with GMs that get canned than those that get lifted to an even higher position on the food chain.

 

Cubs fans eventually rejoiced. But there were plenty of idiots who thought he was doing god's work when he managed back to back .500 seasons and spent plenty of time trying to convince themselves he actually deserved to stay on board. And he was hardly run out of town. He was kept on for years after the sale of the team and after his weaknesses were routinely exposed. He was admired by many in the media.

 

The point is there is a difference and it's pretty clear that for all his suckiness, Williams was better at his job than Hendry. And call me crazy but this is a Cubs-centric message board so a post that references the Cubs shouldn't really be surprising to you and is completely appropriate. Williams did more with less and it wasn't by some benefit of an easier road to hoe either. He got promoted up the ladder which is what generally happens with executives who have had success when there is a desire to replace them.

[apete6]

Hendry won 81 games a year and had 3 division titles/playoff appearances in 9 years, and was rightly run out on a rail. Williams has won 84 games a year and has 2 division titles/playoff appearances in 11 years.

 

Williams doesn't have any easier of a division, as many resources or as good of a chance to sneak in via wild card. He also outperformed Hendry so I don't see what your point is.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Cardinals, Reds, and Brewers are far better organizations than anyone in the AL Central besides the Tigers. The Twins had their moments of being good, but their magical white guy pixie dust ran out.

 

Williams is not much better than Hendry, who everyone eventually agreed was bad.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hendry won 81 games a year and had 3 division titles/playoff appearances in 9 years, and was rightly run out on a rail. Williams has won 84 games a year and has 2 division titles/playoff appearances in 11 years.

 

Williams doesn't have any easier of a division, as many resources or as good of a chance to sneak in via wild card. He also outperformed Hendry so I don't see what your point is.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Cardinals, Reds, and Brewers are far better organizations than anyone in the AL Central besides the Tigers. The Twins had their moments of being good, but their magical white guy pixie dust ran out.

 

Williams is not much better than Hendry, who everyone eventually agreed was bad.

 

The Twin's pixie dust ran out when they left a ballpark that was designed for their magical, scrappy white guys.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hendry won 81 games a year and had 3 division titles/playoff appearances in 9 years, and was rightly run out on a rail. Williams has won 84 games a year and has 2 division titles/playoff appearances in 11 years.

 

Williams doesn't have any easier of a division, as many resources or as good of a chance to sneak in via wild card. He also outperformed Hendry so I don't see what your point is.

 

Looking at the current White Sox payroll, I'd say that Wiliams has plenty of resources, though it didn't look that way in 2005.

 

The past 10 years or so of the Cubs and Sox have been very similar. They've had their great years, their good years, and their bad years. The difference is that Kenny's team managed to win an extra 11 games one October, and to some, that seems to make all the difference as far as their legacies are concerned. How much of an impact did Kenny have on October 2005 vs. Hendry's on the 2007&2008 October pants wettings? Probably not much.

 

It also depends on ownership. Assuming that Rickett's was the owner, would Hendry still have a job had the Cubs won a World Series in one of '03, '07, or '08, assuming that 2009-2011 went the way that they did?

[Sammy Sofa]

The difference is that Kenny's team managed to win an extra 11 games one October

 

Man, that best of 19 World Series in 2003 would have been BRUTAL.

[Backtobanks]

Williams has some compromising photos of Reinsdorf hidden someplace.