Re: NBA Draft & Offseason Thread

[rawaction]

I thought Broussard said it is not contingent on Williams resigning.

 

I got that from ESPN. Broussard works for ESPN right? Maybe I heard that before Broussard chimed in and *gasp* ESPN was actually wrong about something?

[Magnetic Curses]

i hate the way broussard says duh-wight and duh-wayne. it [expletive] bugs the [expletive] out of me.

[17 Seconds]

wow, what a day for atlanta.

[Banedon]

The Nets and the Orlando Magic are discussing a trade that would send Howard to the Nets for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks and the Nets' first-round picks in 2013, 2015 and 2017, sources said. Lopez and Humphries, who are both free agents, would go to Orlando in sign-and-trade deals.

[Banedon]

I thought Broussard said it is not contingent on Williams resigning.

 

I got that from ESPN. Broussard works for ESPN right? Maybe I heard that before Broussard chimed in and *gasp* ESPN was actually wrong about something?

 

ESPN.com reported Sunday that finalizing any deal with the Hawks was contingent upon Williams telling the Nets that he plans to re-sign with them July 11, which is the first day new NBA contracts can be signed. But sources close to the process said Monday that the Nets have changed their stance and are preparing to go through with the trade whether or not Williams commits to Brooklyn.

[ChiCubsFan]

The Nets and the Orlando Magic are discussing a trade that would send Howard to the Nets for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks and the Nets' first-round picks in 2013, 2015 and 2017, sources said. Lopez and Humphries, who are both free agents, would go to Orlando in sign-and-trade deals.

 

So wouldn't that be contingent on Humphries (who is an unrestricted FA) wanting to play in Orlando? This is a terrible offer for Orlando, but they probably just want the headache to be over.

[bleedingblue]

The Nets and the Orlando Magic are discussing a trade that would send Howard to the Nets for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks and the Nets' first-round picks in 2013, 2015 and 2017, sources said. Lopez and Humphries, who are both free agents, would go to Orlando in sign-and-trade deals.

 

How's that going to work if D-Will gets his max contract? Unless the Nets plan on going way over the cap and paying ridiculous penalties, Howard's stuck.

[davell]

New Jersey has zero leverage whatsoever. They can offer up their package of non All Stars that equal Dwight's salary, but unless Orlando is really stupid, they'll take whatever package helps them the most. If the Lakers offer Bynum, I can't see Orlando turning that down. And I hope that happens, because Dwight's screwed: He can't sign as a FA next year with the Nets, because they won't have the money to sign him.

[Cubswin11]

New Jersey has zero leverage whatsoever. They can offer up their package of non All Stars that equal Dwight's salary, but unless Orlando is really stupid, they'll take whatever package helps them the most. If the Lakers offer Bynum, I can't see Orlando turning that down.And I hope that happens, because Dwight's screwed: He can't sign as a FA next year with the Nets, because they won't have the money to sign him.

Either can I, but I don't know if the Lakers will offer him. Probably for a few reasons, they might not get an agreement that any trade for DH has a contingency in it that he must sign a extension for the trade to happen. If he is willing to sign an extension the Lakers probably need to move Gasol to free cap room and/or amnesty Artest (doubt they can find a trade where they get salary relief for him). Also who knows if Kobe will be on board with wanting Bynum/Gasol out for Howard. Dwight and Kobe don't exactly seem like personalitites that would co-exist well.

[bleedingblue]

New Jersey has zero leverage whatsoever. They can offer up their package of non All Stars that equal Dwight's salary, but unless Orlando is really stupid, they'll take whatever package helps them the most. If the Lakers offer Bynum, I can't see Orlando turning that down. And I hope that happens, because Dwight's screwed: He can't sign as a FA next year with the Nets, because they won't have the money to sign him.

 

Dwight's screwed no matter what now. Nets just nuked their cap room with Joe Johnson trade, and he wants to go wherever Deron goes. Deron stays in New Jersey -- Not enough cap room. Deron goes to Dallas -- same situation via Dirk making 20+ million a year.

 

Might as well suck up to the Lakers because there's nowhere else to go where Orlando isn't getting pennies on the dollar.

[Cubswin11]

Jason Terry to the Celtics and Landry Fields to the Raptors

[ConstableRabbit]

i hate the way broussard says duh-wight and duh-wayne. it [expletive] bugs the [expletive] out of me.

Luh-BRAAHNNNN

[davell]

Williams stays with the Nets.

[hawkeyecub]

Williams tweeted that he made a tough decision and included the Nets logo. Woj and others immediately RT'ed that and confirmed that he told the Nets he was signing with them. 10 minutes later Broussard tweeted that according to a source, Williams was staying with the Nets.

 

He's a clown.

[DivineBovine]

Eric Gordon gets max deal offered by by Suns, and Hornets will match.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--eric-gordon-agrees-to-suns---58-million-offer-sheet--hornets-plan-to-match.html;_ylt=AjshPcJowYMHAMR3mKpiJjo5nYcB

 

This is why the NBA is messed up. Eric Gordon costs as much as LeBron James and teams can't wait to pony up the cash.

 

If they wanted to make it more fair, they would just do away with the max contract. Let a team pay as much as they can or want for a player. And this would also avoid Dwight Howard fiascos. When everyone is offering the same dough players decide they want to control where they go and who they play with.

[DivineBovine]

Eric Gordon gets max deal offered by by Suns, and Hornets will match.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--eric-gordon-agrees-to-suns---58-million-offer-sheet--hornets-plan-to-match.html;_ylt=AjshPcJowYMHAMR3mKpiJjo5nYcB

 

This is why the NBA is messed up. Eric Gordon costs as much as LeBron James and teams can't wait to pony up the cash.

 

If they wanted to make it more fair, they would just do away with the max contract. Let a team pay as much as they can or want for a player. And this would also avoid Dwight Howard fiascos. When everyone is offering the same dough players decide they want to control where they go and who they play with.

[ChiCubsFan]

4 years, $58M does not equal 6 years, $110.1M

[DivineBovine]

Yeah, I guess that's right. But Gordon's deal is still a "max deal" for a player of his experience. They aren't allowed to pay him more money even if they wanted to.

 

I still think that they should get rid of the max if they want parity. It's not fair that a team pays Gordon 14.5 million while another pays LeBron 18.

[ChiCubsFan]

Yeah, I guess that's right. But Gordon's deal is still a "max deal" for a player of his experience. They aren't allowed to pay him more money even if they wanted to.

 

I still think that they should get rid of the max if they want parity. It's not fair that a team pays Gordon 14.5 million while another pays LeBron 18.

 

I agree with you completely. And that's why this is a superstar league. Although, it is worth noting that LeBron left something like $15M on the table over the life of his contract.

[davell]

I'd like to agree, but if you do that, the Lakers, Mavs, Knicks, and conceivably a few other major market teams would own every All Star in the league. Because you couldn't have a salary cap and legitimately make this work.

[ChiCubsFan]

I'd like to agree, but if you do that, the Lakers, Mavs, Knicks, and conceivably a few other major market teams would own every All Star in the league. Because you couldn't have a salary cap and legitimately make this work.

 

Why not? It works in other sports with a cap (NFL, NHL). You'd have to raise the cap a little bit most likely, but there's no reason it wouldn't work. If a team wants to offer LeBron $30M per year, why not let them? There's no reason Joe Johnson should be getting paid more than LeBron and Wade.

[davell]

Yeah, I guess it'd work if you raised the cap somewhat. But considering their latest lockout, this is one of those things that has no chance of happening.

[rawaction]

I'd like to agree, but if you do that, the Lakers, Mavs, Knicks, and conceivably a few other major market teams would own every All Star in the league. Because you couldn't have a salary cap and legitimately make this work.

 

Why not? It works in other sports with a cap (NFL, NHL). You'd have to raise the cap a little bit most likely, but there's no reason it wouldn't work. If a team wants to offer LeBron $30M per year, why not let them? There's no reason Joe Johnson should be getting paid more than LeBron and Wade.

 

I don't see why this makes a difference. This happens in every sport. Vernon Wells makes more than Albert Pujols. Somebody wanted to offer Vernon Wells 24 Mil to play when he was 33 years old. If someone wanted Joe Johnson bad enough, they would have paid him more than LeBron and Wade regardless. Just because the NBA has a structure in place that basically makes it so a team HAS to pay Johnson to stay there more than they pay LeBron to come there doesn't make any difference. People give people bad contracts all the time, the NBA is at least letting teams know up front what you have to pay for a player and it's still up to the GM to decide if he wants to pay that or not.

 

I don't think the system would work without the cap unless you added something else. MLB has no cap and a legit player development system in place. NFL has non-guaranteed contracts. NHL has a little of everything.

[Splendid Splinter]

Yeah, I guess that's right. But Gordon's deal is still a "max deal" for a player of his experience. They aren't allowed to pay him more money even if they wanted to.

 

I still think that they should get rid of the max if they want parity. It's not fair that a team pays Gordon 14.5 million while another pays LeBron 18.

 

I think it's crazy that someone was willing to give Gordon a "max" contract after him playing only 9 games and getting injured then having surgery. What scares me is if guys like him are going to get "max" deals, then what will the NBA looks like 3 years down the road?

[WrigleyField 22]

NBA easily has the worst CBA of any major sport. No max salaries and a hard cap at roughly the current tax level would be awesome. But you have to have some "mechanism" that allows teams to cut salary, which is tricky with guaranteed contracts.

 

 

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