2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[davell]

Sly Edwards is FAST. Runs a 6.42 60 and a 3.95 home to first, from the right side.

[Guest]

Was Cody Poteet drafted?

Yes. He doesn't show up on the BA undrafted list.

 

Thanks. If just popped up on the UCLA Twitter acct. 27th rd to the Reds. Don't think he'll sign.

 

Granted, you won't get them ALL, but that HAS to be the best 5 man pitching recruiting class of all time, right? Giolito/Fried/Virant/Kaprelian/Poteet. Good lord.

You forgot RHP Felipe Perez - BA ranked him 129th overall.

[davell]

40 JACOB ROGERS SR MT OLIVE COLLEGE 1B

 

Raisin, Kaprelian got picked in the last round by the Mariners.

[toonsterwu]

Bruno may be on the small side – he says he’s 5-8½ and 175 pounds – but he generates good power. He has six home runs and recently hit two in a home game against Georgia Tech, made even more special because his family was in the stands.

 

“I don’t really know how to explain it,” he said. “I was just trying for quality at-bats and I got a couple pitches to hit and luckily I hit them out. For a little guy I have some pop and it’s always nice for someone my size to hit a couple out in a game.”

 

So what’s his secret?

 

“All I can say is I don’t get cheated at the plate,” he said with a laugh. “I make the most of my swings and when I see the ball in the zone I’m going to swing as hard as I can. Not jump out of my shoes, but be the hitter than I am.”

 

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/051712aab.html

 

I have a lot of bias on this one, but I'm a big, big Bruno fan. This looked like a good post to put some 2 cents in.

 

First off, I still think that he can play short. He likely won't play short in our system, but he was slated for shortstop duty until he got hurt, at which point, Chris Taylor came in from the OF and ran with it (and became the "Hero of Irvine"). I think he has the range, athleticism, and arm strength to play short. This isn't ... Theriot, IMO.

 

That said, his bat is intriguing. On the surface, he should offer a good approach, hit for average, show average, if not more, power. It's a nice, all-around package - think ... uh ... Adrian Cardenas' offensive potential with a touch more power potential perhaps. Or if we want to stick to an undersized white guy comp, perhaps Mike Fontenot with a better potential to hit for average.

 

Again ... on paper, he has this potential. He may not get there, but it's a fascinating package.

[cubsfaninkansas]

i actually live in neosho county kansas where our 18th round pick played....cool to see someone from here get drafted

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Astros announcing a verbal agreement with Correa, to be finalized in the next few days.

 

It's nice for them to be able to take advantage of the No. 1 slot pool and get something extra out of the deal in a year without a true No. 1-type player.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Sly Edwards is FAST. Runs a 6.42 60 and a 3.95 home to first, from the right side.

 

:shock: :shock: :shock:

[davell]

Honestly, I'd love to wind up in Houston's predicament next year. Currently the draft is better than this one, but at least for now, no consensus top pick. If it brings multiple bigtime players here, I'm all for it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Honestly, I'd love to wind up in Houston's predicament next year. Currently the draft is better than this one, but at least for now, no consensus top pick. If it brings multiple bigtime players here, I'm all for it.

 

I'd love to see a thread on this at some point.

 

How badly do we want the No. 1 overall pick?

 

On the one hand, that's obviously a huge asset.

 

On the other, it would mean that we'd have to be really, really bad the rest of the season, and that means some long-term assets we are hoping will appreciate will have to perform badly. Unless we can somehow manage to suck entirely on the backs of the expendable veterans while Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija dominate.

[davell]

Smoral evidently already has an agreement in place with Toronto in the 2 mill range.

[craig]

Bruno may be on the small side – he says he’s 5-8½ and 175 pounds – but he generates good power. ..

 

...I'm a big, big Bruno fan. ... This isn't ... Theriot, IMO.

 

That said, his bat is intriguing. On the surface, he should offer a good approach, hit for average, show average, if not more, power. It's a nice, all-around package - think ... uh ... Adrian Cardenas' offensive potential with a touch more power potential perhaps. Or if we want to stick to an undersized white guy comp, perhaps Mike Fontenot with a better potential to hit for average.

 

Again ... on paper, he has this potential. He may not get there, but it's a fascinating package.

 

I don't see the above average power projection, but hope you're right. Seems unlikely for so short a guy and having hit only 6 college HR's this year. He doesn't walk at all, so I'm guessing he'll be heavily a batting average guy, with low IsoD and limited IsoP. But guys who can hit the ball on the nose, and have good hands/arm/quickness, they've got a chance.

 

Cerda, Clevenger, Chirinos, etc.. He sounds like the kind of smaller athlete who they routinely try at catcher. I wonder how long it will be before they do that with him? I'd like to see them do it fast. His bat has a better chance at catcher.

[Guest]

Honestly, I'd love to wind up in Houston's predicament next year. Currently the draft is better than this one, but at least for now, no consensus top pick. If it brings multiple bigtime players here, I'm all for it.

 

I'd love to see a thread on this at some point.

 

How badly do we want the No. 1 overall pick?

 

On the one hand, that's obviously a huge asset.

 

On the other, it would mean that we'd have to be really, really bad the rest of the season, and that means some long-term assets we are hoping will appreciate will have to perform badly. Unless we can somehow manage to suck entirely on the backs of the expendable veterans while Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija dominate.

 

Or we just have to trade Dempster and replace him with someone awful. That'd go a long way, I'd imagine.

[Cubswin11]

Honestly, I'd love to wind up in Houston's predicament next year. Currently the draft is better than this one, but at least for now, no consensus top pick. If it brings multiple bigtime players here, I'm all for it.

 

I'd love to see a thread on this at some point.

 

How badly do we want the No. 1 overall pick?

 

On the one hand, that's obviously a huge asset.

 

On the other, it would mean that we'd have to be really, really bad the rest of the season, and that means some long-term assets we are hoping will appreciate will have to perform badly. Unless we can somehow manage to suck entirely on the backs of the expendable veterans while Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija dominate.

 

Or we just have to trade Dempster and replace him with someone awful. That'd go a long way, I'd imagine.

I think trading some combination of Garza/Dempster/Soriano (at least with how he's playing lately he's really been our only power/production source) is enough to probably make us the worst team in baseball for the rest of the year. It would at least lock up a top 3 pick for us in next years draft, at least I feel pretty confident about that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Honestly, I'd love to wind up in Houston's predicament next year. Currently the draft is better than this one, but at least for now, no consensus top pick. If it brings multiple bigtime players here, I'm all for it.

 

I'd love to see a thread on this at some point.

 

How badly do we want the No. 1 overall pick?

 

On the one hand, that's obviously a huge asset.

 

On the other, it would mean that we'd have to be really, really bad the rest of the season, and that means some long-term assets we are hoping will appreciate will have to perform badly. Unless we can somehow manage to suck entirely on the backs of the expendable veterans while Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija dominate.

 

Or we just have to trade Dempster and replace him with someone awful. That'd go a long way, I'd imagine.

 

I'm more concerned with the pressure and depression of losing all the damn time on guys like Castro/Samardzija. Historically awful teams have a stink on them that's tough to wash off.

[jersey cubs fan]

Has anybody done a consolidated breakdown of what the Cubs did in this draft?

[Cubswin11]

Has anybody done a consolidated breakdown of what the Cubs did in this draft?

Raisin has our picks up into the teens on post 2 on page 1, I think he said yesterday he's going to be finishing up posting all of our picks with some information on the guys soon.

 

Edit, found his post

 

It's been a ridiculously hectic last 24 hours. I will update the second post in this thread and post all BA blurbs this evening.

[Guest]

Has anybody done a consolidated breakdown of what the Cubs did in this draft?

Raisin has our picks up into the teens on post 2 on page 1, I think he said yesterday he's going to be finishing up posting all of our picks with some information on the guys soon.

 

Edit, found his post

 

It's been a ridiculously hectic last 24 hours. I will update the second post in this thread and post all BA blurbs this evening.

 

I'll do it shortly. I have jury duty today so I imagine I'll have tons of free time to update.

[KingCubsFan]

Honestly, I'd love to wind up in Houston's predicament next year. Currently the draft is better than this one, but at least for now, no consensus top pick. If it brings multiple bigtime players here, I'm all for it.

 

I'd love to see a thread on this at some point.

 

How badly do we want the No. 1 overall pick?

 

On the one hand, that's obviously a huge asset.

 

On the other, it would mean that we'd have to be really, really bad the rest of the season, and that means some long-term assets we are hoping will appreciate will have to perform badly. Unless we can somehow manage to suck entirely on the backs of the expendable veterans while Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija dominate.

 

Or we just have to trade Dempster and replace him with someone awful. That'd go a long way, I'd imagine.

 

I'm more concerned with the pressure and depression of losing all the damn time on guys like Castro/Samardzija. Historically awful teams have a stink on them that's tough to wash off.

The Tigers got to the World Series 3 years after losing 119 games.

[davell]

Marlin said he's heard Tomscha and Bote should sign right away.

[UMFan83]

Has anyone really given a good breakdown of how teams have stratagized for this draft with the new rules?

 

I was listening to a podcast with Kevin Goldstein and he called this draft an absolute complete failure and said the general strategy was to take top talent in rounds 1-5 and pay overslot if needed, and then draft a bunch of guys who should be going in rounds 11-15 in rounds 6-10 so that they can play them all 500k to ensure they remain within their draft budget. Is that really going to be the best draft strategy in this new draft?

 

That said, I don't think the Cubs went this way. I admit I know almost nothing about the draft compared to a lot of you so I could definitely be wrong, but it seems like for the most part the Cubs drafted guys in the first 10 rounds that were expected to sign at slot, save one of two picks like Almora.

[Tracer Bullet]

Joe Sheehan linked a couple of articles about the general strategy. And Tango Tiger linked one with some good comments too. Basically the number of college seniors drafted in rounds 5-10 confirms that teams stopped drafting based on talent after a couple rounds and then resumed after round 10 (when failure to sign didn't cost them part of their pool). Some seniors drafted in the 10th round were 40th round talents, according to the article.

[El Duderino]

Joe Sheehan linked a couple of articles about the general strategy. And Tango Tiger linked one with some good comments too. Basically the number of college seniors drafted in rounds 5-10 confirms that teams stopped drafting based on talent after a couple rounds and then resumed after round 10 (when failure to sign didn't cost them part of their pool). Some seniors drafted in the 10th round were 40th round talents, according to the article.

 

god, this is so terrible for baseball.

[Guest]

Joe Sheehan linked a couple of articles about the general strategy. And Tango Tiger linked one with some good comments too. Basically the number of college seniors drafted in rounds 5-10 confirms that teams stopped drafting based on talent after a couple rounds and then resumed after round 10 (when failure to sign didn't cost them part of their pool). Some seniors drafted in the 10th round were 40th round talents, according to the article.

It could be argued some wouldn't be drafted period. The Blue Jays took 7 straight seniors on day 2! No wonder they're going to sign Smoral rather quickly.

[Tracer Bullet]

Has anyone really given a good breakdown of how teams have stratagized for this draft with the new rules?

 

I was listening to a podcast with Kevin Goldstein and he called this draft an absolute complete failure and said the general strategy was to take top talent in rounds 1-5 and pay overslot if needed, and then draft a bunch of guys who should be going in rounds 11-15 in rounds 6-10 so that they can play them all 500k to ensure they remain within their draft budget. Is that really going to be the best draft strategy in this new draft?

 

That said, I don't think the Cubs went this way. I admit I know almost nothing about the draft compared to a lot of you so I could definitely be wrong, but it seems like for the most part the Cubs drafted guys in the first 10 rounds that were expected to sign at slot, save one of two picks like Almora.

 

I don't think guys drafted in 6-10 were 11-15 talents. They were college seniors and very late round talents picked to guarantee signability and at (or more often) below slot. It's the best strategy to give yourself more for the top talent and fliers you're going to take after the 10th.

[Guest]

BA has am article up that says some of those seniors have already signed FOUR figure deals to create budget for other signees.

 

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