Olney brings up the thought of dealing Starlin

[Splendid Splinter]

WHY THE [expletive] DID NO ONE TELL ME THAT PSD IS MOSTLY NOT THAT BRIGHT?!?!

 

Restore me to sanity please...Matt Davidson/Trevor Bauer/Tyler Skaggs...still no, right? Right? Wtf is a Matt Davidson?

 

Okay ... go ahead and question my sanity ... but that would be an awfully tempting package. I'd have to ponder it some more ... and I'd want a secondary piece or two thrown in there, but Davidson has really taken off and is probably one of the top 3rd base prospects in the minors. That's 1 elite prospect (Bauer), 2 really high quality talents.

 

There is absolutely zero chance that I think that happens, though.

 

Call ME crazy but like Skaggs better than Bauer.

 

Theyd still have to improve the deal.

 

 

Like I said earlier... if Diamondbacks was asking for Castro... I'm asking for at least Upton and one of Skaggs or Bauer (whoever you like)... No less than that for sure. I would start with Upton/Skaggs or Bauer/another high upside prospect (lets say 7-12 in their top 20 prospects).

[SouthSideRyan]

We're talking about a guy who can stay at short for at least 3-5 more years and be a prime offensive contributor.

 

He's going to have to be moved off of SS at 26???????????

 

[toonsterwu]

I think Bauer is the type of guy that you either like or think he'll wear out quick. I don't love Bauer, but I see the argument for Bauer's prime being superior to Skaggs prime.

 

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I don't know if you'd get a better package than that in any sort of realistic deal (and I doubt the D-backs do that deal), and therein lies the problem in making this deal - it'd be almost hard to appease every organization involved.

 

I mean, entering the season, that was 2 five stars and a 3 star on Goldstein's BP list (1/2/6), and most believe Davidson has improved a fair amount, so he's probably a 4 star. For BA, that was the number 1, 3, 5 prospects in their system, and again, Davidson has taken off. For Sickels, that was 1 (Bauer, A), 2, Skaggs (A-), 7 (Davidson, B-) in the offseason. I'd venture a guess that Davidson is either a B or a B+ now (but granted, have to see how he finishes).

 

That's a heck of a package to top things ... and I see no way that the D-backs would do that (in a hypothetical, that's too much pitching to give up considering their market size), and a case can be made that the questions on Bauer are enough to ask for more on the Cubs end.

[toonsterwu]

We're talking about a guy who can stay at short for at least 3-5 more years and be a prime offensive contributor.

 

He's going to have to be moved off of SS at 26???????????

 

 

I said at least. If you've read my comments on Castro before, I've always consistently said that I felt he could play short through his 20's, and perhaps have to move off in his 30's, but there's definitely people that feel otherwise, even including his strong showing so far this year.

[Clem Fandango]

I'd be tempted by a package surrounding Bauer/Skaggs as well. Saw Bauer pitch a couple weeks ago, he's incredible. I don't think the D-Backs move either of them though. I think they'd move one of Hudson, Kennedy, Cahill before moving either of those two.

[toonsterwu]

I'd be tempted by a package surrounding Bauer/Skaggs as well. Saw Bauer pitch a couple weeks ago, he's incredible. I don't think the D-Backs move either of them though. I think they'd move one of Hudson, Kennedy, Cahill before moving either of those two.

 

I really don't see the D-backs moving any of their core pitchers (Bauer/Skaggs/Bradley) unless the trade is so good that they can't pass. Scary thing is, with Chafin and, to a lesser extent, Corbin, they have two other quality young arms. I think they would move them, along with the veterans, in an attempt to rebuild a core around their top young arms in a year or two.

[Guancous]

Any deal for Starlin would require such a premium that the opposing GM would be fired within a year.

[toonsterwu]

Any deal for Starlin would require such a premium that the opposing GM would be fired within a year.

 

For no apparent reason, I was trying to think of a list of teams where it might make sense for them to give up the boatload ... and I can't come up with a long list. But one intriguing scenario (probably because it's 1:45 am) I keep pondering is Seattle. Say, they offered two of their big three prospect arms, a Nick Franklin and another piece or two (maybe Kyle Seager). They'd still have one big time arm to go with Felix, Castro would step in at short, and they have some third base options. They'd have a superb positional core (Montero/Smoak/Castro/Ackley). We'd get a 3rd baseman in Seager, an upper level guy with a shot to stick at short in Franklin, and two quality upper level arms.

 

Eh ... I really need to get back to work. Damn I feel like I'm back in college or grad school. Reading stupid reports at this hour that don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

(The other teams that I thought it made some sense for would be Baltimore and Toronto in the "We need to break through into the top 3 in the AL East" category, Atlanta in the "make a push for Chipper category ...").

[SouthSideRyan]

1000 PAs later and we still have to pretend like Justin Smoak is a thing.

[Backtobanks]

Any deal for Starlin would require such a premium that the opposing GM would be fired within a year.

 

Either that or our GM ought to be fired.

[toonsterwu]

1000 PAs later and we still have to pretend like Justin Smoak is a thing.

 

The leash is admittedly short, and I have no idea what happened, but I didn't give up on Smoak just yet entering the season and 150 AB's isn't going to move me tremendously just yet. The reason I had yet to give up on him entering 2012 was because I found his 2011 intriguing in that he OPS'd .802 at home with a .225 ISO with a .256 BABIP. No clue why he sucked on the road last year. The raw power that people expected is still there, but the guy is trying to/needs to adjust to hitting at Safeco. Maybe he'll never find that balance, and maybe 150 AB's into this year should be enough of a signal, but I'll give him some more rope.

[sneakypower]

per bb-ref (Sean Smith's TotalZone), Castro (+8) has been the best fielding SS in the NL this year and 3rd-most productive fielder at any position in the NL (Barney at +9 is 2nd); last year Castro was the worst fielding SS in the NL under the same system, and 3rd-least productive at any position for the league

 

just thought i'd throw that out there

[17 Seconds]

castro is just another ronny cedeno so lets trade him while his stock is high and hopefully get back a stud 21-22 year old prospect who is major league ready