Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[ctcf]

So what's the opinion of Colston around here? Certainly seems like he'll hit the market.

[JonJayCutler]

There is a difference between being replaceable and not being that good. Forte is a top five RB. The fact that RBs have a short shelf life or that the Bears had decent production out of their backup RBs should not take away from the talent this guy has. He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's still an elite back right now. I agree that he is probably replaceable, but only because of the position he plays. To say he's not really that good is ridiculous.

 

It's just been too long since we've had football. When Forte was running through defenses you all marveled at him, repeatedly clamoring for the Bears to pay up. It's easier to make these sort of comments when you haven't see the guy play in four months.

[minnesotacubsfan]

yea, I know its in vogue to hate on rb's, but its also still football. Forte is a stud at the RB position, I dont think he's *that* replaceable.

[Magnetic Curses]

There is a difference between being replaceable and not being that good. Forte is a top five RB. The fact that RBs have a short shelf life or that the Bears had decent production out of their backup RBs should not take away from the talent this guy has. He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's still an elite back right now. I agree that he is probably replaceable, but only because of the position he plays. To say he's not really that good is ridiculous.

 

It's just been too long since we've had football. When Forte was running through defenses you all marveled at him, repeatedly clamoring for the Bears to pay up. It's easier to make these sort of comments when you haven't see the guy play in four months.

 

top 5 running back? saying it doesn't make it so.

 

and i'm not understanding the difference between being replaceable and not being that good. forte is not close to being a top 5 running back so he shouldn't be paid like it. being "not that good" could absolutely mean that someone is replaceable. it could also mean that forte isn't as good as people think he is compared to other running backs and not worthy of a huge long-term deal. that's not a huge stretch in logic.

 

the idea that he is replaceable means that his numbers and production could be found easily elsewhere. hence, he's not that good.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Stannis

[rawaction]

So what's the opinion of Colston around here? Certainly seems like he'll hit the market.

 

Colston reeks of Muhsin Muhammad for me. Colston is a few years younger than Moose was when the Bears signed him, but Colston has had several knee surgeries. A 29-year old, with a knee history, coming from the most prolific passing offense of all time....I just think he's going to fail to live up to expectations. I'd rather go after Vincent Jackson, if the Bears are going after someone beyond 27. I wouldn't hate signing Colston, because it's obviously a huge need and he'd clearly be the best WR on the roster. But I wouldn't expect more than 2 solid years from him before he becomes overpaid.

[Guest]

There is a difference between being replaceable and not being that good. Forte is a top five RB. The fact that RBs have a short shelf life or that the Bears had decent production out of their backup RBs should not take away from the talent this guy has. He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's still an elite back right now. I agree that he is probably replaceable, but only because of the position he plays. To say he's not really that good is ridiculous.

 

It's just been too long since we've had football. When Forte was running through defenses you all marveled at him, repeatedly clamoring for the Bears to pay up. It's easier to make these sort of comments when you haven't see the guy play in four months.

 

 

I didn't.

 

I don't get generalizations like this. It's entirely possible, and likely, that the people clamoring for paying for Forte during the season (idiotic, IMO. The Bears have played this correctly and this "pay Forte" movement has been one of the most obnoxious storylines in Chicago sports recently), aren't the same people saying RBs are replaceable and bad risks to give big money to now. And those latter people were probably saying the same thing during the season.

[ctcf]

So what's the opinion of Colston around here? Certainly seems like he'll hit the market.

 

Colston reeks of Muhsin Muhammad for me. Colston is a few years younger than Moose was when the Bears signed him, but Colston has had several knee surgeries. A 29-year old, with a knee history, coming from the most prolific passing offense of all time....I just think he's going to fail to live up to expectations. I'd rather go after Vincent Jackson, if the Bears are going after someone beyond 27. I wouldn't hate signing Colston, because it's obviously a huge need and he'd clearly be the best WR on the roster. But I wouldn't expect more than 2 solid years from him before he becomes overpaid.

 

Although in defense of Moose, he had to deal with Bears QBs pre-Cutler

[Soul]

There is a difference between being replaceable and not being that good. Forte is a top five RB. The fact that RBs have a short shelf life or that the Bears had decent production out of their backup RBs should not take away from the talent this guy has. He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's still an elite back right now. I agree that he is probably replaceable, but only because of the position he plays. To say he's not really that good is ridiculous.

 

It's just been too long since we've had football. When Forte was running through defenses you all marveled at him, repeatedly clamoring for the Bears to pay up. It's easier to make these sort of comments when you haven't see the guy play in four months.

 

top 5 running back? saying it doesn't make it so.

 

and i'm not understanding the difference between being replaceable and not being that good. forte is not close to being a top 5 running back so he shouldn't be paid like it. being "not that good" could absolutely mean that someone is replaceable. it could also mean that forte isn't as good as people think he is compared to other running backs and not worthy of a huge long-term deal. that's not a huge stretch in logic.

 

the idea that he is replaceable means that his numbers and production could be found easily elsewhere. hence, he's not that good.

 

He's harder to judge because pure running isn't really where he shines. It's more the total yardage he produces in the offense, particularly the pass catching. I definitely agree he's replaceable. I like the franchise tag, and I think the likelihood he won't be franchised a 2nd year is relatively high.

 

I'm all for not having strings attached when it comes to Forte. Don't sign him longterm.

[Soul]

So what's the opinion of Colston around here? Certainly seems like he'll hit the market.

 

Colston reeks of Muhsin Muhammad for me. Colston is a few years younger than Moose was when the Bears signed him, but Colston has had several knee surgeries. A 29-year old, with a knee history, coming from the most prolific passing offense of all time....I just think he's going to fail to live up to expectations. I'd rather go after Vincent Jackson, if the Bears are going after someone beyond 27. I wouldn't hate signing Colston, because it's obviously a huge need and he'd clearly be the best WR on the roster. But I wouldn't expect more than 2 solid years from him before he becomes overpaid.

 

He seems like quality, but only because we are in such a bad position. I agree. He might be a decent signing for us, but if we truly want to turn the tables on our WR situation we would need to shoot higher.

[Banedon]

Arian Foster got a 5 year deal from the Texans. No word on the $$.

 

I wonder what effect that'll have on the Forte deal?

[Banedon]

Stevie Johnson stays in Buffalo. One less option at WR.

[Prizefight]

Arian Foster got a 5 year deal from the Texans. No word on the $$.

 

I wonder what effect that'll have on the Forte deal?

 

The Lynch deal will be a better starting point. He'll want more guaranteed than Lynch and deserves it strictly comparing the two players.

[Banedon]

Arian Foster got a 5 year deal from the Texans. No word on the $$.

 

I wonder what effect that'll have on the Forte deal?

 

The Lynch deal will be a better starting point. He'll want more guaranteed than Lynch and deserves it strictly comparing the two players.

 

My thought was depending on how the Foster money turns out, it could set a ceiling. I don't know what Forte's demands were, of course, but if he was asking for more than what Foster ended up signing for, it could have an affect that way.

[pitchcs]

Stevie Johnson stays in Buffalo. One less option at WR.

 

 

Good -- that was the last guy I wanted

[rawaction]

Arian Foster got a 5 year deal from the Texans. No word on the $$.

 

I wonder what effect that'll have on the Forte deal?

 

More than Lynch. Less than Foster? Probably closer to whatever Foster got though.

[KingCubsFan]

Any talk on the Bears going after Mario Williams? Him and Peppers would be unstoppable.

[Banedon]

Stevie Johnson stays in Buffalo. One less option at WR.

 

 

Good -- that was the last guy I wanted

 

He got 5/$36.25m.

[Derwood]

Any talk on the Bears going after Mario Williams? Him and Peppers would be unstoppable.

 

They're saying the Texans might franchise him

[Banedon]

Any talk on the Bears going after Mario Williams? Him and Peppers would be unstoppable.

 

They're saying the Texans might franchise him

 

With Texans running back Arian Foster now signed to a new five-year deal, the question becomes whether the team will use the franchise tag on linebacker Mario Williams.

 

Given that the final year of Williams’ rookie deal had a cap number that would push his franchise tender above $22 million, that’s highly unlikely.

[rawaction]

Any talk on the Bears going after Mario Williams? Him and Peppers would be unstoppable.

 

Haven't heard anything. I doubt they get into a bidding war with Williams. The Pats, Cowboys, and Texans will be all over him. Not to mention various 4-3 teams. If they didn't have Peppers, maybe they throw a ton of cash at him. But this is a pretty decent DE class with Avril, Mincey, and Mathis all being cheaper alternatives.

[Guest]

Looks like Lynch got 4/31m.

[Magnetic Curses]

it sucks because lynch is better than forte but forte will get more money.

[davell]

I'll be very surprised if Avril isn't franchised today. Stevie wasn't my favorite option at WR, but I had actually thought he'd be the guy we wound up with. I think V-Jax is going to get a TON thrown at him and winds up a Redskin.

[KingCubsFan]

I'll be very surprised if Avril isn't franchised today. Stevie wasn't my favorite option at WR, but I had actually thought he'd be the guy we wound up with. I think V-Jax is going to get a TON thrown at him and winds up a Redskin.

Avril got franchised.

[davell]

We've been mentioned with Grubbs and I'm sure we'll get mentioned with Nicks as well too, now that he's going to hit the market. Would you rather add one of them or an OT like Gaither, Demetrius Bell, or levi Brown, who looks like he's about to get cut?

 

And, can we make the cap work if we signed a Nicks or Grubbs AND a high profile WR as well?