Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

Banedon · August 19, 2012

Alshon has looked great this drive.

He did with the 1st team too. That guy is gonna prove to be a steal imo.

Absolutely fantastic avatar, good sir. Do you have a bigger version?

The bigger version doesnt look as good. Will find it for you though.

Banedon · August 19, 2012

Podlesh comes up limping, and his lips can later be read to say 'f me'.

They said its a hip injury. Better that than a hammy imo.

KaiserCesar · August 19, 2012

Wow, the beginning of this halftime segment on Tice is all a big 'screw you' to Martz.

Tice: 'When you have a coach who tries to cram a system down your throat and doesn't listen, frustration can build up, so I make a point to listen.'

Pretty similar to what we've been hearing all camp, but it really shows how dysfunctional the offense was last year.

ctcf · August 19, 2012

[expletive]

John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 2m
very scary, head-down tackle by rookie S Brandon Hardin - not getting up and team med personnel out with cart and board for lifting

davell · August 19, 2012

Damnit, Hardin leaving on a stretcher.

Banedon · August 19, 2012

[expletive]

John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 2m
very scary, head-down tackle by rookie S Brandon Hardin - not getting up and team med personnel out with cart and board for lifting

He raised his arm as he was loaded on the cart. He led with the head. He also whiffed on the Banks return.

Soul · August 19, 2012

Save those for when it counts Robbie :)

Magnetic Curses · August 19, 2012

Wow, the beginning of this halftime segment on Tice is all a big 'screw you' to Martz.

Tice: 'When you have a coach who tries to cram a system down your throat and doesn't listen, frustration can build up, so I make a point to listen.'

Pretty similar to what we've been hearing all camp, but it really shows how dysfunctional the offense was last year.

i think it's a real meatball thing to do. if cutler didn't go down, the team would have made the postseason twice with martz in charge of the play-calling. i don't understand the martz hate at all, you'd think he was jon shoop or something.

Banedon · August 20, 2012

Wow, the beginning of this halftime segment on Tice is all a big 'screw you' to Martz.

Tice: 'When you have a coach who tries to cram a system down your throat and doesn't listen, frustration can build up, so I make a point to listen.'

Pretty similar to what we've been hearing all camp, but it really shows how dysfunctional the offense was last year.

i think it's a real meatball thing to do. if cutler didn't go down, the team would have made the postseason twice with martz in charge of the play-calling. i don't understand the martz hate at all, you'd think he was jon shoop or something.

Let's not pretend they were the greatest show on turf either. Clearly both Jay and Tice had issues with how Martz ran the offense. Fans can be meatball, not players. They had to work with the man every day, whereas fans are judging from afar. They clearly felt that Martz was pushing to do things that didn't work with those players, judging by the interview. Maybe they should be more diplomatic about talking about it, but Cutler is gonna say what he thinks. And I think Tice really didn't get along with Martz, judging by what's been said.

RynoRules · August 20, 2012

Wow, the beginning of this halftime segment on Tice is all a big 'screw you' to Martz.

Tice: 'When you have a coach who tries to cram a system down your throat and doesn't listen, frustration can build up, so I make a point to listen.'

Pretty similar to what we've been hearing all camp, but it really shows how dysfunctional the offense was last year.

i think it's a real meatball thing to do. if cutler didn't go down, the team would have made the postseason twice with martz in charge of the play-calling. i don't understand the martz hate at all, you'd think he was jon shoop or something.

Let's not pretend they were the greatest show on turf either. Clearly both Jay and Tice had issues with how Martz ran the offense. Fans can be meatball, not players. They had to work with the man every day, whereas fans are judging from afar. They clearly felt that Martz was pushing to do things that didn't work with those players, judging by the interview. Maybe they should be more diplomatic about talking about it, but Cutler is gonna say what he thinks. And I think Tice really didn't get along with Martz, judging by what's been said.

A year ago I thought Martz was a victims of terrible decisions by Angelo. Now he reminds me a bit of Rumsfeld - the civilian whose strategy for the military was broadley disliked by all who had to execute it.

Banedon · August 20, 2012

Phil Emery really non-answers questions about the O-line...

Also, he seems pretty happy with Lovie.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/14599303-419/lovie-smith-is-phil-emerys-guy.html

jersey cubs fan · August 20, 2012

Let's not pretend they were the greatest show on turf either. Clearly both Jay and Tice had issues with how Martz ran the offense. Fans can be meatball, not players. They had to work with the man every day, whereas fans are judging from afar. They clearly felt that Martz was pushing to do things that didn't work with those players, judging by the interview. Maybe they should be more diplomatic about talking about it, but Cutler is gonna say what he thinks. And I think Tice really didn't get along with Martz, judging by what's been said.

Nobody was pretending they were the greatest show on turf, they were good though.

And I'm not sure how you can say player can't be meatball when pretty much everything that defines the meatball comes from the mind of players.

Martz had nothing to work with and did a reasonable good job. Tice has been given a hell of a lot more to work with.

Banedon · August 20, 2012

Martz plays nicey nicey:

On rumors that he didn't get along with Mike Tice: No, that's incorrect. I don't know why or how that got started, who brought that to light. But I just talked to him about a week ago and wished him the best of luck.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4677168/martz-weighs-in-on-cutler-martz-bears

Banedon · August 20, 2012

Nobody was pretending they were the greatest show on turf, they were good though.

Right...nobody called him John Shoop either. It was an intentional overstatement.

And I'm not sure how you can say player can't be meatball when pretty much everything that defines the meatball comes from the mind of players.

You're right here. There's plenty of meatballery in players. Poor argument by me. I don't think that's the case here though. I think there was genuine conflict in offensive philosophies here.

Martz had nothing to work with and did a reasonable good job. Tice has been given a hell of a lot more to work with.

Tice is also installing a scheme that fits much better with the personnel he has. Specifically, he's not asking a dicey offensive line to do more than they are capable.

Magnetic Curses · August 20, 2012

Let's not pretend they were the greatest show on turf either. Clearly both Jay and Tice had issues with how Martz ran the offense. Fans can be meatball, not players. They had to work with the man every day, whereas fans are judging from afar. They clearly felt that Martz was pushing to do things that didn't work with those players, judging by the interview. Maybe they should be more diplomatic about talking about it, but Cutler is gonna say what he thinks. And I think Tice really didn't get along with Martz, judging by what's been said.

let's also not get wrapped up in everyone having to love each other. we knew what martz was when he came to town and he was far more successful here than the previous coordinator. so he tried to fit a few square pegs in round holes and the players clashed with him, so what? he was the coordinator, not the head coach, and often times it's beneficial for the coach to have a bad cop on the staff.

Magnetic Curses · August 20, 2012

Tice is also installing a scheme that fits much better with the personnel he has. Specifically, he's not asking a dicey offensive line to do more than they are capable.

no one knows this yet. tice seems to have the respect and admiration of the players, and they seem to like whatever system he's running better than martz's. that doesn't mean it's going to work any better. martz was the anti-meathead, tice is the quintessential, that may have more to do with the players liking him more.

August 20, 2012

Let's not forget that in both 2010 and 2011, the offense didn't really click until the interventions with Martz. Martz was stubbornly trying to call games in a way that our personnel could not handle and Lovie had to rein him in.