Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[Banedon]

it will be hard to transition to a more effective defense in 1 offseason.

 

I don't think it would be that hard. Teams make massive transitions all the time. On offense maybe it will take time to click, but defense is basically just about the talent and the scheme can change from play to play, game to game and very easily over the course of an offseason.

 

I think the hardest part of changing would be convincing Lovie to actually make the change.

[apete6]

it will be hard to transition to a more effective defense in 1 offseason.

 

I don't think it would be that hard. Teams make massive transitions all the time. On offense maybe it will take time to click, but defense is basically just about the talent and the scheme can change from play to play, game to game and very easily over the course of an offseason.

 

I think the hardest part of changing would be convincing Lovie to actually make the change.

 

Bingo! I didn't want to include that part to avoid the Lovie conversation, but if they somehow don't make the playoffs, he has a chance to be gone (if Virginia McCaskey allows it).

 

Unless the injuries keep coming, I seriously don't see how the Bears don't win 10 games, so it probably won't be an issue, but if it does, that defensive switch could come as part of a complete overhaul.

[apete6]

Since I am in the Poll making mood:

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=61354

[Guest]

This happens all the time. peyton's neck, Carimi's knee. Its not really a set back in the sense that he is re-injured. I imagine that he wont play week 1, but could be in for GB. I probably wouldnt re-sign him though unless its very team friendly

Apparently Roach had the procedure done a few years ago and was ready 2 weeks later.

[Guest]

. Edited August 14, 2012 by David

[Guest]

This happens all the time. peyton's neck, Carimi's knee. Its not really a set back in the sense that he is re-injured. I imagine that he wont play week 1, but could be in for GB. I probably wouldnt re-sign him though unless its very team friendly

Apparently Roach had the procedure done a few years ago and was ready 2 weeks later.

 

Hopefully this procedure alleviates some pain/soreness for Urlacher. It sounds like he's gonna have to deal with the effects of the injury all year, so hopefully this at least mitigates that somewhat.

[cubbyvirus00]

It sucks having a positive view of this team slowly turn negative. Between the first round pick of this year, the injury concerns regarding our first round pick of last year (Carimi) and now dealing with a huge blow to the defense.

 

Our two lines have the chance of being absolutely brutal this year.

[Banedon]

It sucks having a positive view of this team slowly turn negative. Between the first round pick of this year, the injury concerns regarding our first round pick of last year (Carimi) and now dealing with a huge blow to the defense.

 

Our two lines have the chance of being absolutely brutal this year.

 

Wait a minute. You were positive at some point?

[Soul]

It sucks having a positive view of this team slowly turn negative. Between the first round pick of this year, the injury concerns regarding our first round pick of last year (Carimi) and now dealing with a huge blow to the defense.

 

Our two lines have the chance of being absolutely brutal this year.

 

Wait a minute. You were positive at some point?

 

February, 1986

[Smack]

It sucks having a positive view of this team slowly turn negative. Between the first round pick of this year, the injury concerns regarding our first round pick of last year (Carimi) and now dealing with a huge blow to the defense.

 

Our two lines have the chance of being absolutely brutal this year.

 

Wait a minute. You were positive at some point?

 

February, 1986

 

Probably only for a few hours just after the Super Bowl was over.

[Old Style]

It sucks having a positive view of this team slowly turn negative. Between the first round pick of this year, the injury concerns regarding our first round pick of last year (Carimi) and now dealing with a huge blow to the defense.

 

Our two lines have the chance of being absolutely brutal this year.

 

Wait a minute. You were positive at some point?

HIV positive

[Banedon]

It sucks having a positive view of this team slowly turn negative. Between the first round pick of this year, the injury concerns regarding our first round pick of last year (Carimi) and now dealing with a huge blow to the defense.

 

Our two lines have the chance of being absolutely brutal this year.

 

Wait a minute. You were positive at some point?

HIV positive

 

Well that got weird.

[davell]

Wait, is Carimi injured again? What the bell did I miss?

[Banedon]

Wait, is Carimi injured again? What the bell did I miss?

 

No. I assume he meant coming off injury, thought I'm not sure why he's worried about that. The right side of the line is the part that's done well so far. Tice went out of his way to compliment Carimi.

[Smack]

We are doomed.

[Soul]

it's more fun being doomed anyway.

[minnesotacubsfan]

na, Lovie just gets to play his Underdawg card.

[davell]

As far as the O-Line goes, while I wish they had addressed it, I guess I can see why they didn't. We weren't going to get a LT in the 1st. And anything after that is at least conceivably another project. Our inside guys are at least passable and while he was an UDFA, I look at Brown AS addressing it, on some level, as he was a second day value. There wasn't a solid LT on the FA market either, so I figure we'll probably use our 1st or 2nd on one next year and go defense predominantly with our other picks. The line was an issue, but not nearly as much of one with Cutler behind center as with anyone else after him. The quick slants to Marshall should be OK and the running game hopefully helps things open up a bit downfield too. But next year, I really hope LT is as big a priority as anything else. It needs to be.

[Soul]

It just doesn't ever actually get ADDRESSED. For years.

[Guest]

I have no problem letting Urlacher go this offseason but I hope he returns for a team-friendly deal since I really want the team to address the OL next spring. They still have to look into replacing Urlacher even if he returns but it wouldn't have to be as big priority as the line.

[davell]

It just doesn't ever actually get ADDRESSED. For years.

But that's not really true though. Williams and Carimi count. Granted, I'd like to see some 3/4 round OG picks. But I personally don't want to delegate a bunch of money on the inside offensively.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It just doesn't ever actually get ADDRESSED. For years.

But that's not really true though. Williams and Carimi count. Granted, I'd like to see some 3/4 round OG picks. But I personally don't want to delegate a bunch of money on the inside offensively.

 

 

considering how awful the line has been (FOR YEARS) and how bad it continues to be, they should be drafting an OL every year in the top 4 rounds. That, and insisting on players like Webb makes their plan of attack completely stupid.

[jersey cubs fan]

Our inside guys are at least passable

 

No way. They are at best passable.

 

Soul wrote:

It just doesn't ever actually get ADDRESSED. For years.

 

But that's not really true though. Williams and Carimi count. Granted, I'd like to see some 3/4 round OG picks. But I personally don't want to delegate a bunch of money on the inside offensively.

 

The problem with counting them is Williams was the first top half of the draft OL pick in a decade. They were playing catch up at that time, and still should be. It's a 5 man group. You can't just draft 2 over 11 years and say you've addressed it. It's a 5 man position group that requires 6 or 7 over a season. You need to spend multiple draft picks on them, not constantly sign other teams castoffs. They have effectively ignored the group in the draft for a decade.

[davell]

Our inside guys are at least passable

 

No way. They are at best passable.

 

Soul wrote:

It just doesn't ever actually get ADDRESSED. For years.

 

But that's not really true though. Williams and Carimi count. Granted, I'd like to see some 3/4 round OG picks. But I personally don't want to delegate a bunch of money on the inside offensively.

 

The problem with counting them is Williams was the first top half of the draft OL pick in a decade. They were playing catch up at that time, and still should be. It's a 5 man group. You can't just draft 2 over 11 years and say you've addressed it. It's a 5 man position group that requires 6 or 7 over a season. You need to spend multiple draft picks on them, not constantly sign other teams castoffs. They have effectively ignored the group in the draft for a decade.

 

I think they'll be solid enough to get by. Technically speaking, there's more than a solid amount of teams that are better equipped than we are obviously, but I doubt our group will be bad enough to truly be an actual detriment.

 

As for your 2nd point, I won't argue. It'd be dumb too. I do think that there should be a lineman drafted in the middle rounds every year, but I did mention that too. I just don't want to spend BIG money on interior O-Linemen. Hopefully next year, we can draft LT in the 1st somehow, with an inside guy maybe in the 4th or 5th as well.

[rawaction]

Our inside guys are at least passable

 

No way. They are at best passable.

 

Soul wrote:

It just doesn't ever actually get ADDRESSED. For years.

 

But that's not really true though. Williams and Carimi count. Granted, I'd like to see some 3/4 round OG picks. But I personally don't want to delegate a bunch of money on the inside offensively.

 

The problem with counting them is Williams was the first top half of the draft OL pick in a decade. They were playing catch up at that time, and still should be. It's a 5 man group. You can't just draft 2 over 11 years and say you've addressed it. It's a 5 man position group that requires 6 or 7 over a season. You need to spend multiple draft picks on them, not constantly sign other teams castoffs. They have effectively ignored the group in the draft for a decade.

 

I think they'll be solid enough to get by. Technically speaking, there's more than a solid amount of teams that are better equipped than we are obviously, but I doubt our group will be bad enough to truly be an actual detriment.

 

As for your 2nd point, I won't argue. It'd be dumb too. I do think that there should be a lineman drafted in the middle rounds every year, but I did mention that too. I just don't want to spend BIG money on interior O-Linemen. Hopefully next year, we can draft LT in the 1st somehow, with an inside guy maybe in the 4th or 5th as well.

 

Chris Williams will be gone, so you're talking about 1 early pick next year on the OL, with the rest potentially 6th or 7th rounders or UDFAs. But the Bears don't have a 3rd or 7th. Odds are, they won't be drafting 2 OL with their 5 picks. They could still use DL, LB, and CB help. Though, they probably don't need to spend picks on S, WR, TE, or RB (would have if Forte had not re-signed).

 

I think next year, either J'Marcus Webb makes significant strides and the team is OK with him, or they *gasp* actually spend money bringing in a LT, unless James Brown proves to be the answer between now and then (not likely).