Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[mul21]

The difference for me is that Cassel had an entire season to showcase, versus much less for Flynn. But maybe this is the way it will work out. I'd hate for the Pack to wind up with some juicy extra picks for Flynn. That would kind of suck for us.

 

You can't underestimate teams that have no QB and are desperate for one who they don't perceive as needing much development. Since Flynn has had time in one of the best QB stomping grounds in the NFL, a team like Cleveland is going to look at that just like we would if we didn't have Cutler: here's a guy who might be a ready-made solution.

 

Yeah, there's a huge difference between what Cassel was able to do for the Patriots and what Flynn did in one game. It would be incredibly risky to make that acquisition, and I would hate for my team to do it. But it only takes one, and NFL teams without settled QB situations do stupid stuff. Then again, Wannstedt isn't out there coaching anybody either.

 

Yeah, but if you're talking about a team like Cleveland who has Holmgren running things, I think there's probably a better chance they'd take a gamble than a lot of other teams since he'd be running the same sytem.

[rawaction]

Plus, he's shown signs in preseason. He basically has similar experience to Kevin Kolb before this year and somebody traded for him and gave him a ton of money.

 

Similar, or less than half?

 

Yes, less than 1/2 of Kolb's 6 starts (1 of which he left in the 1st quarter). Don't get the point of arguing semantics though.

[rawaction]

The difference for me is that Cassel had an entire season to showcase, versus much less for Flynn. But maybe this is the way it will work out. I'd hate for the Pack to wind up with some juicy extra picks for Flynn. That would kind of suck for us.

 

You can't underestimate teams that have no QB and are desperate for one who they don't perceive as needing much development. Since Flynn has had time in one of the best QB stomping grounds in the NFL, a team like Cleveland is going to look at that just like we would if we didn't have Cutler: here's a guy who might be a ready-made solution.

 

Yeah, there's a huge difference between what Cassel was able to do for the Patriots and what Flynn did in one game. It would be incredibly risky to make that acquisition, and I would hate for my team to do it. But it only takes one, and NFL teams without settled QB situations do stupid stuff. Then again, Wannstedt isn't out there coaching anybody either.

 

Yeah, but if you're talking about a team like Cleveland who has Holmgren running things, I think there's probably a better chance they'd take a gamble than a lot of other teams since he'd be running the same sytem.

 

You're also talking about a Cleveland team that has spent draft picks on Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Charlie Frye and Tim Couch in the last 12 years. I know it's a new regime in charge, but do they really want to go with another rookie QB? Even with Flynn's inexperience, he does have 4 years of NFL coaching under his belt.

[jersey cubs fan]

Plus, he's shown signs in preseason. He basically has similar experience to Kevin Kolb before this year and somebody traded for him and gave him a ton of money.

 

Similar, or less than half?

 

Yes, less than 1/2 of Kolb's 6 starts (1 of which he left in the 1st quarter). Don't get the point of arguing semantics though.

 

Kolb had 7 starts, but he played a lot more than that because he kept coming into games early (not taking knees) with the starter going out with injuries. He threw well over 300 passes against several opponents. More than half of Flynn's attempts came from 2 games against Detroit. There's a pretty significant difference between the experience level of each QB going into the offseason when they were eventually traded/likely traded.

[rawaction]

Plus, he's shown signs in preseason. He basically has similar experience to Kevin Kolb before this year and somebody traded for him and gave him a ton of money.

 

Similar, or less than half?

 

Yes, less than 1/2 of Kolb's 6 starts (1 of which he left in the 1st quarter). Don't get the point of arguing semantics though.

 

Kolb had 7 starts, but he played a lot more than that because he kept coming into games early (not taking knees) with the starter going out with injuries. He threw well over 300 passes against several opponents. More than half of Flynn's attempts came from 2 games against Detroit. There's a pretty significant difference between the experience level of each QB going into the offseason when they were eventually traded/likely traded.

 

It's significant in comparison, but not in the grand scheme of things. 1/2 season isn't that much more significant than 2 games. Admittedly, you can make a determination whether a guy can play in 7-8 games vs. 2 games. But all things considered, I don't think the risk is any higher with trading for Flynn than it was with Kolb. Kolb's handful of games showed a lot of mediocrity. Flynn's 2 starts were both pretty good. Flynn comes from GB who was able to go from a HOF QB in Favre to Rodgers with no letdown.

[Butterscup1679666578]

BradBiggs Brad Biggs

#Bears sign special teams coordinator Dave Toub to 2-yr contract, making him 1 of highest-paid ST coaches in NFL

[Pushfrog98]

Bears extend Toub 2 years.

 

 

*edit*

beat me to it.

[jersey cubs fan]

BradBiggs Brad Biggs

#Bears sign special teams coordinator Dave Toub to 2-yr contract, making him 1 of highest-paid ST coaches in NFL

 

He must have really not felt good about the Dolphins interview.

[rawaction]

I would have hated to lose Toub from the Bears but would have been very interested in seeing how he'd do as a head coach.

[Butterscup1679666578]

BradBiggs Brad Biggs

#Bears sign special teams coordinator Dave Toub to 2-yr contract, making him 1 of highest-paid ST coaches in NFL

 

He must have really not felt good about the Dolphins interview.

 

I saw a tweet that said the Dolphins informed him that they weren't going to hire him.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would have hated to lose Toub from the Bears but would have been very interested in seeing how he'd do as a head coach.

 

This surprised me. With as often as his name has come up for other jobs and consistently good the Bears ST have been, I would have thought he'd already be the highest paid.

 

The contract makes Toub one of the highest-paid special teams coordinators in the NFL, just a notch below Brad Seely in San Francisco, who earns $1 million annually. Toub was a coaching free agent and the fact he's returning to the Bears without shopping his services around the league shows he was committed to being a part of Smith’s staff moving forward.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm surprised Toub isn't the highest paid too

[Mark Priors Calves]

Raiders are going to interview Mike Tice for their head coaching job.

[UMFan83]

Raiders are going to interview Mike Tice for their head coaching job.

 

Hah, that would be embarrassing for the Bears to lose their brand new offensive coordinator in the same offseason he was given the job.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Blessing in disguise??

[Butterscup1679666578]

Probably not. The Bears surely don't have any backup plan and I'm sure this caught them off guard.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think it caught the world by

surprise

[minnesotacubsfan]

I mean, if you had concerns about him as an OC, look back at his HC years.

[cubbyvirus00]

Raiders ask for permission to interview Tice as their HC

[Soul]

If they denied permission for Hoke to interview, then I don't see why they would grant permission for Tice to interview. I'm assuming they denied Hoke permission because they don't want to deal with more coaching complications......the same reasoning would surely apply to Tice.

[jersey cubs fan]

You can't deny permission for HC interview.

[mul21]

You can't deny permission for HC interview.

 

Huh, didn't know that. I also thought the other denial probably had to do wit it being a team in the division than anything else.

[Magnetic Curses]

Seeing as how they're going after Tice, maybe McKenzie wouldn't have minded the coaching situation here.

[jersey cubs fan]

Seeing as how they're going after Tice, maybe McKenzie wouldn't have minded the coaching situation here.

 

They are interviewing him, not clear at all they are going after him. He could just be trying to do their old employer a favor by keeping the Bears situation murky.

 

I would have no problem with Tice moving on. It's not like he made that line dominant or anything. He was never going to be anything close to a longterm solution at the spot anyway.

[Banedon]

You can't deny permission for HC interview.

 

Well technically they can, but they're unlikely to.