Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[SouthSideRyan]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

Tice has that Flintstonian quality to him that scares me. He's well suited to the job he has now.

 

I agree. I have no faith in Tice calling plays. Was he ever a play caller in Minnesota? Linehan was his OC, no?

 

Just like last time this happened I want the best possible candidate for OC to be hired, with a preference for a guy who could theoretically take Lovie's job. I want the next Sean Payton.

[cubbyvirus00]

Well if Lovie is truly going to stick around for another year with a different OC, then I am unhappy even with the firing of Angelo because it forces Cutler and the offense to learn a new system while offering the prospect of having them learn ANOTHER system in 1-2 years. This organization is horrible.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I want the next Sean Payton.

that's great. Who is he?

[RynoRules]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

BLUECOLLARDITKAREDGRANGEBRIANPICOLOBESURETOBRINGYOURLUNCHPAIL

 

+1

[SpongeWorthy]

McKenzie/Clements makes a lot of sense. Get somebody Lovie is tight with and have an OC come in who won't immediately have his eyes on a new job because he'll have to prove himself as a play caller first.

[Magnetic Curses]

I want the next Sean Payton.

that's great. Who is he?

 

tom clements

[RynoRules]

I just can't see how Lovie will be retained unless Tice is promoted. Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year? How can Lovie sign-off on bringing in a guy who is clearly there to take him down at the first opportunity?

[jersey cubs fan]

Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year?

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Everybody in the NFL is one season away from potentially being fired. I'm sure the new guy will get a 2-3 year contract, depending on how in demand he is. The Bears job offers a lot of potential. It's one of only 32 OC positions in the NFL, and several of those are OC in name only, since the head coach is the real guy in control.

[rawaction]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

The Bears having the 9th most rushing attempts is a good thing when Forte was 6th in the league in yards per carry for RBs with over 150 carries (2nd for RBs over 200 carries). The Bears having the 9th most passing attempts would be bad if they got sacked once every 7 passes like last year.

 

The Bears don't magically win or lose based on whether they run or pass the ball a certain number of times.

[SpongeWorthy]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

The Bears having the 9th most rushing attempts is a good thing when Forte was 6th in the league in yards per carry for RBs with over 150 carries (2nd for RBs over 200 carries). The Bears having the 9th most passing attempts would be bad if they got sacked once every 7 passes like last year.

 

The Bears don't magically win or lose based on whether they run or pass the ball a certain number of times.

 

Because the Bears being a good running team didn't translate into them being a good overall offense. If they can remain good on a per carry basis and improve the passing game they'll be in business. I don't expect them to go wide open like NE, GB, or NO but they obviously have to get wayyyy more productive in the passing game.

[Magnetic Curses]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

The Bears having the 9th most rushing attempts is a good thing when Forte was 6th in the league in yards per carry for RBs with over 150 carries (2nd for RBs over 200 carries). The Bears having the 9th most passing attempts would be bad if they got sacked once every 7 passes like last year.

 

The Bears don't magically win or lose based on whether they run or pass the ball a certain number of times.

 

no, but the teams that pass are the teams that win, regardless of what the bears do.

[RynoRules]

Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year?

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Everybody in the NFL is one season away from potentially being fired. I'm sure the new guy will get a 2-3 year contract, depending on how in demand he is. The Bears job offers a lot of potential. It's one of only 32 OC positions in the NFL, and several of those are OC in name only, since the head coach is the real guy in control.

 

Knowing your arse is on the line every year in the NFL based on how the team performs is different than it being a virtual lock that - unless you make the playoffs and advance - you will be ushered out at the end of the season with the head coach for no reason other than the new GM wants his own guy in there. In other words, its a fait accompli.

[rawaction]

Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year?

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Everybody in the NFL is one season away from potentially being fired. I'm sure the new guy will get a 2-3 year contract, depending on how in demand he is. The Bears job offers a lot of potential. It's one of only 32 OC positions in the NFL, and several of those are OC in name only, since the head coach is the real guy in control.

 

Yes, everyone is 1 season away from being fired, but why go into a situation that looks like only 1 year is the most likely scenario. It's why Bates choose Seattle over the Bears. It's why other OCs weren't jumping at a chance to come here 2 years ago.

 

The only way a new guy comes in, I believe, is if he has a legit shot at being a head coach in the very near future. AKA an experienced OC or a former HC.

[jersey cubs fan]

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

Because their QB is the best player on the field.

[Magnetic Curses]

Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year?

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Everybody in the NFL is one season away from potentially being fired. I'm sure the new guy will get a 2-3 year contract, depending on how in demand he is. The Bears job offers a lot of potential. It's one of only 32 OC positions in the NFL, and several of those are OC in name only, since the head coach is the real guy in control.

 

Yes, everyone is 1 season away from being fired, but why go into a situation that looks like only 1 year is the most likely scenario. It's why Bates choose Seattle over the Bears. It's why other OCs weren't jumping at a chance to come here 2 years ago.

 

The only way a new guy comes in, I believe, is if he has a legit shot at being a head coach in the very near future. AKA an experienced OC or a former HC.

 

wasn't bates fired after 1 year? haha

[rawaction]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

The Bears having the 9th most rushing attempts is a good thing when Forte was 6th in the league in yards per carry for RBs with over 150 carries (2nd for RBs over 200 carries). The Bears having the 9th most passing attempts would be bad if they got sacked once every 7 passes like last year.

 

The Bears don't magically win or lose based on whether they run or pass the ball a certain number of times.

 

Because the Bears being a good running team didn't translate into them being a good overall offense. If they can remain good on a per carry basis and improve the passing game they'll be in business. I don't expect them to go wide open like NE, GB, or NO but they obviously have to get wayyyy more productive in the passing game.

 

They were a league average offense when healthy, there were top 10 in scoring also when healthy. They won't get more productive in the passing game by throwing more behind an inadequate OL and terrible WRs.

[rawaction]

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

Because their QB is the best player on the field.

 

And the more you have him throw, the more likely it is for him to be off the field when you don't have him adequately protected from getting hit on most of those passes. Granted, throwing a ton works for Brees, Brady, and Rodgers who are the most talented players on the field, but they also have good protection.

[jersey cubs fan]

Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year?

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Everybody in the NFL is one season away from potentially being fired. I'm sure the new guy will get a 2-3 year contract, depending on how in demand he is. The Bears job offers a lot of potential. It's one of only 32 OC positions in the NFL, and several of those are OC in name only, since the head coach is the real guy in control.

 

Yes, everyone is 1 season away from being fired, but why go into a situation that looks like only 1 year is the most likely scenario. It's why Bates choose Seattle over the Bears. It's why other OCs weren't jumping at a chance to come here 2 years ago.

 

The only way a new guy comes in, I believe, is if he has a legit shot at being a head coach in the very near future. AKA an experienced OC or a former HC.

 

Worked out really well for Bates.

 

The Bears offer a really good situation. They were going to win 11 games this year before their QB got hurt. They have a pro bowl caliber QB and very patient ownership. If somebody is afraid of having to make the playoffs next year, maybe they aren't a good OC candidate. The head coach has 2 years left on his contract and a history of getting the team ready to play.

[jersey cubs fan]

They were a league average offense when healthy, there were top 10 in scoring also when healthy. They won't get more productive in the passing game by throwing more behind an inadequate OL and terrible WRs.

 

That's a personel issue.

[SpongeWorthy]

Who is going to take the OC position with the promise of only one year?

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Everybody in the NFL is one season away from potentially being fired. I'm sure the new guy will get a 2-3 year contract, depending on how in demand he is. The Bears job offers a lot of potential. It's one of only 32 OC positions in the NFL, and several of those are OC in name only, since the head coach is the real guy in control.

 

Yes, everyone is 1 season away from being fired, but why go into a situation that looks like only 1 year is the most likely scenario. It's why Bates choose Seattle over the Bears. It's why other OCs weren't jumping at a chance to come here 2 years ago.

 

The only way a new guy comes in, I believe, is if he has a legit shot at being a head coach in the very near future. AKA an experienced OC or a former HC.

 

You only want continuity if the guy is actually good at his job. That's why this Tice promotion talk is madness to me. I doubt he'd be a good play caller.

 

I can't envision a scenario where the new OC comes in, does a good job, and takes over Lovie's job in year 2. If we have a good offense the team will be good overall and Lovie will probably get MORE job security. So if you want a guy to stay on board for a couple years, you look at a guy who has never been a play caller before and needs to prove himself before getting a shot at another HC position. Tom Clements fits the bill.

 

Plus if McKenzie is all tight with Lovie he won't bring in an OC to undermine him.

[rawaction]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?

 

People that keep preaching "it's a passing league" are just as bad as the people who want to run the ball more. You do whatever works best. It's only a passing league if it works. The Bears were a good running team, why take that away? The Bears gave up a ton of sacks the last 2 years, why continue to try and pass?

 

The Bears having the 9th most rushing attempts is a good thing when Forte was 6th in the league in yards per carry for RBs with over 150 carries (2nd for RBs over 200 carries). The Bears having the 9th most passing attempts would be bad if they got sacked once every 7 passes like last year.

 

The Bears don't magically win or lose based on whether they run or pass the ball a certain number of times.

 

no, but the teams that pass are the teams that win, regardless of what the bears do.

 

Bears went 19-8 with a healthy Cutler the last 2 years and they weren't anywhere near pass happy. Teams that pass are teams that win only when they are actually good teams. Ask the Eagles.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Bears need to throw with Cutler, focusing on the run game is pointless. They need at least 1 more solid olineman, and a legitimate #1 WR, but the aren't far from being a very good passing team. Having a franchise QB is the biggest step, having a competent GM is the next. Even Martz could have been successful here if Angelo wasn't so stuck in 1st gear Edited January 3, 2012 by minnesotacubsfan

[rawaction]

They were a league average offense when healthy, there were top 10 in scoring also when healthy. They won't get more productive in the passing game by throwing more behind an inadequate OL and terrible WRs.

 

That's a personel issue.

 

So are we throwing it just to throw it or are we throwing it because we're good at it? That's my point. It's a passing league, but the Bears shouldn't be passing just because everyone else is. They suck at it, so they should run more because they were actually good at it.

[SpongeWorthy]

We suck at it, so we should get better at it because passing well is more conducive to scoring points than running well is.