Tigers sign Prince - 9/214 - Heyman

[MrCub14]

How can we afford Pujols but not Fielder? That doesn't make any sense to me. We offered Pujols 200 million at the same position.

 

Did our offer to Pujols actually come out? How long and how much?

 

Well, Rosenthal came out and said that Pujols had 3 offers over 200 million. And he named the Cubs as "in the running". So I just put 2 and 2 together. But now that I think about it, those 3 teams over 200 million were the Marlins, Angels, and Cardinals. So I take back what I said. Our offer was probably closer to 5 for 150 or 6 for 180.

[Schwarber Fan]

lol @ this tweet:

 

CBSSportsNFLGB Packers RapidReports

Not Packers related... I've heard the #Cubs trade of Tyler Colvin, who could've played 1B, means Chicago will go hard after Prince Fielder.

1 minute ago

 

Yes, our 2012 opening day 1B would have been Tyler Colvin...

[ctcf]

Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak said the team is "highly unlikely" to pursue free agent first baseman Prince Fielder.

Not surprising. After Albert Pujols netted a $254 million deal from the Angels, Fielder seems likely to get a deal approaching $200 million, which is barely less than what the Cards offered Pujols. The Mariners and Cubs seem like they'll be the most fervent pursuers of Fielder, with the Brewers still holding out hope to bring him back. The Blue Jays and Rangers could also be fits if they decide to make a splash.

 

Per rotoworld.

 

$200 million? [expletive] that noise

[Hairyducked Idiot]

$200 million? [expletive] that noise

 

Seriously. It feels like everyone in the league got rich all of a sudden and now our $135 million payroll makes us mid-market.

 

 

I'd go up to 6/150 for Fielder, and I don't understand why that makes me a cheapskate, but apparently it does.

[Post Count Padder]

lol @ this tweet:

 

CBSSportsNFLGB Packers RapidReports

Not Packers related... I've heard the #Cubs trade of Tyler Colvin, who could've played 1B, means Chicago will go hard after Prince Fielder.

1 minute ago

 

Yes, our 2012 opening day 1B would have been Tyler Colvin...

That's pretty dumb. I don't see how the two were intertwined. Probably just baseless guessing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

After "canvassing executives," (Joel) Sherman finds the consensus is that Prince Fielder will sign with the Cubs. The belief is that Theo Epstein won't pass up the chance to acquire a slugger like Fielder given the lack of power hitters coming onto the market, and Epstein wants to make "a statement sign" in his first year in Chicago.

[Rob]

$200 million? [expletive] that noise

 

Seriously. It feels like everyone in the league got rich all of a sudden and now our $135 million payroll makes us mid-market.

 

 

I'd go up to 6/150 for Fielder, and I don't understand why that makes me a cheapskate, but apparently it does.

 

6/130 for me, and I'd hate myself for going that high. 5/100 is the last number I feel comfortable at.

[XZero771679666304]

$200 million? [expletive] that noise

 

Seriously. It feels like everyone in the league got rich all of a sudden and now our $135 million payroll makes us mid-market.

 

 

I'd go up to 6/150 for Fielder, and I don't understand why that makes me a cheapskate, but apparently it does.

 

I don't think he'll get that much. It's a post-Albert number people are tossing out there without really thinking about it (defense, body type). Prince will get a high AAV deal, but he won't get that total value because he won't get the years.

 

I think 6/150 is pretty close to what he'll get.

[jersey cubs fan]

5/100 is the last number I feel comfortable at.

 

That is ridiculous. Why are people so freaking afraid? Did Soriano scare you that much? We're just past the midpoint of that bad contract and the team already has plenty of flexibility. Big contracts to big time players will not cripple a big market team.

[bukie]

The problem with Fielder (and Pujols) for any NL team is that the player's long term value is simply going to be higher for an AL team, due to the possibility of getting more value out of their hitting and eliminating any negative value from declining fielding later in the deal. So an AL team can simply more easily justify going higher with them.

[MSG T]

5/100 is the last number I feel comfortable at.

 

That is ridiculous. Why are people so freaking afraid? Did Soriano scare you that much? We're just past the midpoint of that bad contract and the team already has plenty of flexibility. Big contracts to big time players will not cripple a big market team.

 

 

Yep.

[bukie]

I don't have any problem going as high as it takes AAV to get Fielder for 5 years. 6 years would be tolerable, 7 is concerning, beyond that he can go to the Mariners.

[mookie]

I don't have any problem going as high as it takes AAV to get Fielder for 5 years. 6 years would be tolerable, 7 is concerning, beyond that he can go to the Mariners.

 

Yes, yes, and yes. I will do a happy naked dance in my living room if we can get him on a 5 year deal.

[Guest]

That is ridiculous. Why are people so freaking afraid? Did Soriano scare you that much? We're just past the midpoint of that bad contract and the team already has plenty of flexibility. Big contracts to big time players will not cripple a big market team.

 

At what point are you hesitant to give Fielder a contract, if any? I was willing to pay more than market value for Pujols(that got blown out of the water), and probably Wilson(took a substantial discount to go to LA) and Darvish(TBA), but Fielder's inconsistency and long term prognosis make me hesitant. 4 WAR first basemen aren't really all that scarce, and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

[jersey cubs fan]

and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

 

Yeah, because those are out there all the time.

[Guest]

and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

 

Yeah, because those are out there all the time.

 

 

Teams aren't willing to trade players they don't want to pay bigger arbitration dollars to? We've seen mentions of Shields, Upton, Nolasco, Danks, Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, even Joey Votto possibly being on the trade market.

[jersey cubs fan]

and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

 

Yeah, because those are out there all the time.

 

 

Teams aren't willing to trade players they don't want to pay bigger arbitration dollars to? We've seen mentions of Shields, Upton, Nolasco, Danks, Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, even Joey Votto possibly being on the trade market.

 

So you think it makes sense to actually trade away what little top talent we have in the minors to get such a theoretical Garza instead of just signing a freaking free agent that costs nothing but money? One of those things takes away from the building the system gameplan, and it's not signing free agents. Theoretical trades are a hell of a lot harder, and much less likely to happen than just signing a guy you can afford and do need.

[KingCubsFan]

and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

 

Yeah, because those are out there all the time.

 

 

Teams aren't willing to trade players they don't want to pay bigger arbitration dollars to? We've seen mentions of Shields, Upton, Nolasco, Danks, Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, even Joey Votto possibly being on the trade market.

Based on the rumored asking price of Danks and the reported offers for Gio, I don't think we have enough to get any of those players, except for Nolasco.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

 

Yeah, because those are out there all the time.

 

 

Teams aren't willing to trade players they don't want to pay bigger arbitration dollars to? We've seen mentions of Shields, Upton, Nolasco, Danks, Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, even Joey Votto possibly being on the trade market.

Based on the rumored asking price of Danks and the reported offers for Gio, I don't think we have enough to get any of those players, except for Nolasco.

 

Keep in mind we'll have a lot more after we dump Garza himself. We'll have to make a Garza trade in order to make another Garza trade.

[Rob]

5/100 is the last number I feel comfortable at.

 

That is ridiculous. Why are people so freaking afraid? Did Soriano scare you that much? We're just past the midpoint of that bad contract and the team already has plenty of flexibility. Big contracts to big time players will not cripple a big market team.

 

I did learn a lesson about paying superstar money to a player who isn't quite a superstar, yes. Is the Cubs payroll high enough to hide some mistakes? Sure... but that doesn't mean making mistakes is a good idea.

 

There's a price point at which acquiring Fielder is a mistake. What does it take for you to feel that point has been reached?

[Guest]

and if I'm going to knowingly overpay for production, I'd rather blow out the posting fee for Darvish and make another Garza trade or two.

 

Yeah, because those are out there all the time.

 

 

Teams aren't willing to trade players they don't want to pay bigger arbitration dollars to? We've seen mentions of Shields, Upton, Nolasco, Danks, Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, even Joey Votto possibly being on the trade market.

 

So you think it makes sense to actually trade away what little top talent we have in the minors to get such a theoretical Garza instead of just signing a freaking free agent that costs nothing but money? One of those things takes away from the building the system gameplan, and it's not signing free agents. Theoretical trades are a hell of a lot harder, and much less likely to happen than just signing a guy you can afford and do need.

 

It's a value proposition. I'd rather give a couple minor leaguers for John Danks and then extend him than overpay Prince Fielder by $60 million. I'd rather take on someone else's poor short term contract to get a quality player at a decent price than have Soriano right now at 3/54.

 

Again, at what point (if any) do you shy away from giving Fielder(or Darvish) their money? Would you pay 150 million for either? Would you go to 200 million for Prince?

[C.C.]

Jersey is owning this thread now. He's right on.

[C.C.]

The problem with Fielder (and Pujols) for any NL team is that the player's long term value is simply going to be higher for an AL team, due to the possibility of getting more value out of their hitting and eliminating any negative value from declining fielding later in the deal. So an AL team can simply more easily justify going higher with them.

 

Huh? If later in his contract he can't play first base trade him to the AL then.

[Little Slide Rooter]

lol @ this tweet:

 

CBSSportsNFLGB Packers RapidReports

Not Packers related... I've heard the #Cubs trade of Tyler Colvin, who could've played 1B, means Chicago will go hard after Prince Fielder.

1 minute ago

 

Yes, our 2012 opening day 1B would have been Tyler Colvin...

That's pretty dumb. I don't see how the two were intertwined. Probably just baseless guessing.

 

T assumption is that the person who wrote this is stupid.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soriano didn't teach anybody anything about Fielder. The two situations are nothing similar. Soriano was barely even arbitration eligible when he was Fielder's age right now. Soriano signed when he already passed through most of his prime and had a glaringly obvious fatal flaw that was easily exploited, and no position in the field. Even with all his obvious flaws, if you signed Soriano to his contract at age 27 instead of going into his age 31 season, you wouldn't have been hurt but what he eventually did during that time frame. Soriano wasn't a star, and he was too old for that deal when he signed it, not to mention a hacker. Fielder is going to give you plenty of primetime production after already having consistently produced through his early-to-mid 20's.

 

 

And another thing to remember is that if the Cubs can easily fit a free agent like him into the system this year, with not only Soriano's contract but the team just waiting to get Dempster and Zambrano off the books, they will be able to easily eat any sub-standard production 5-6 years from now.

 

The goal is not to get through the next 10 years with the most cost effective roster possible. The goal is to be the best team you can every year.