New CBA thread

[justin23iu]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

[Guest]

Kevin Goldstein is tweeting how I feel.

 

Another incentive for signability guys taken away:

 

@KendallRogersPG: Hasn't been talked a lot about yet, but you also can't sign an #MLB contract after getting drafted. No more big league deals. Interesting.

[jersey cubs fan]

Isn't there still benefit in being able to find the right guy? Why wouldn't you want to be on the ground and have a heads up on who to go after rather than potentially being scooped by some team that swings in with guns/wallets blazing.

Team's guns and wallets will be the same.

 

Which means more reliance on having the proper information about who to go after.

[jersey cubs fan]

As somebody else, I believe SSR, pointed out, it should not be surprising that current players agreed to this, because they hate prospects as much as the next guy. They don't care about the next 17 year old coming after their job, they care about allowing themselves to have as many current big leaguers keep their jobs.

[SouthSideRyan]

Isn't there still benefit in being able to find the right guy? Why wouldn't you want to be on the ground and have a heads up on who to go after rather than potentially being scooped by some team that swings in with guns/wallets blazing.

Team's guns and wallets will be the same.

 

Which means more reliance on having the proper information about who to go after.

 

More old guys making [expletive] up about how calm a 16 year old's eyes are.

[Guest]

Somebody hold me.

[UMFan83]

Unreal. I was wondering how the baseball gods were going to manage to screw us after we got Theo. It seemed like they were out of luck. I guess not.

[davearm2]

Isn't there still benefit in being able to find the right guy? Why wouldn't you want to be on the ground and have a heads up on who to go after rather than potentially being scooped by some team that swings in with guns/wallets blazing.

Team's guns and wallets will be the same.

 

Which means more reliance on having the proper information about who to go after.

 

More old guys making [expletive] up about how calm a 16 year old's eyes are.

Those are exactly the guys Theo and co. will continue to run circles around.

 

You can change the rules, but the best GMs will still be the best GMs.

[davell]

I guess the ONLY hope is your team's budget already has some overslot money directly in it, maybe based on where you're drafting? Maybe the Cubs for instance, will have an allotted 12 mill to spend, based on picking 6th? Maybe teams aren't required to spend all they are given? Unless this IS the case, there is literally zero advantage at all. Plus, the IFA bonuses start out at 2.9 mill immediately, don't they? This is beyond awful. The only thing I can see this doing for us is maybe making our major league payroll go up by an extra 10 or 15 mill, since I was honestly thinking Theo would be planning on spending 25 mill between the draft and IFA. Now it looks like we'll be lucky to have more than 10 mill to spend here.

[ctcf]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

 

Not sure I'm following him there.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not happy about this, but I'm not apoplectic either. The Cubs only hope for contending under Hendry was spending more than the other guys. Under Theo we can actually expect them to spend smartly. I have confidence in this front office's ability to work within the system to gain an advantage.

[davell]

My guess is Jorge Soler waits until he's 24 before coming over here now, unless he's already screwed, which I guess is possible. If so, what team is going to shoot their entire wad on one guy?

[jersey cubs fan]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

 

Not sure I'm following him there.

 

Small market teams get money from Yankees and Red Sox and they are forced to spend it, but this system won't allow them to spend it wisely, on their system.

[SouthSideRyan]

What's the % needed to push this through, 23/30 is sticking in my mind for some reason.

 

Based on payrolls and development strategies:

 

I can't see why the following (6) teams would vote for this:

 

Yankees

Red Sox

Angels

Rangers

Phillies

Cubs

 

Teams who'd seem to be a tossup as far as approval:

 

Detroit

San Fran

Washington

Mets

Cardinals

 

This is all assuming the owners are working with a short-sighted view versus the long-term health of their franchises. I'm surprised they were able to convince 4 out of the 5 toss-ups along with every single "small-market" owner.

[jersey cubs fan]

All the more reason to spend the money on a free agent first baseman this year.

[ctcf]

Wouldn't this CBA actually put more of a focus on the Scouting/Development offices and programs instead of discouraging them? There's just more pressure to pick the right players, hence the need for a better scouting/development department.

[davell]

I wonder when Theo knew this was going to happen? Because if we truly want to rebuild the system quickly, trading Garza seems like one of our only real options at this point.

[SouthSideRyan]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

 

Not sure I'm following him there.

 

There was internal pressure on teams who were receiving revenue sharing and didn't have high major league payrolls. Teams like the Royals and Pirates were wisely spending a sizable amount of their budget on IFA and the draft, now the only way to spend that revenue sharing money is to sign more dumbass deals like the Pirates did for the 42 years under Littlefield.

[ctcf]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

 

Not sure I'm following him there.

 

Small market teams get money from Yankees and Red Sox and they are forced to spend it, but this system won't allow them to spend it wisely, on their system.

 

How so, though? They still have to spend it on players.

[davell]

Wouldn't this CBA actually put more of a focus on the Scouting/Development offices and programs instead of discouraging them? There's just more pressure to pick the right players, hence the need for a better scouting/development department.

But it's a strength in numbers approach. There isn't a group of magical scouts out there who are going to "hit" on THAT many more players than any others would. At least not that I know of anyway. Spending heavily and having more chances early on, seems like the best way to make it happen for your system, because while mistakes are made, they're bought out by giving yourself more shots at getting it right.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wouldn't this CBA actually put more of a focus on the Scouting/Development offices and programs instead of discouraging them? There's just more pressure to pick the right players, hence the need for a better scouting/development department.

 

But what are you scouting and developing? What's the point of building infrastructure and academies in Latin America if you are only allowed $40 on your Intl budget?

[SouthSideRyan]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

 

Not sure I'm following him there.

 

Small market teams get money from Yankees and Red Sox and they are forced to spend it, but this system won't allow them to spend it wisely, on their system.

 

How so, though? They still have to spend it on players.

 

And players are lining up to go to shithole teams all the time.

[davell]

From an IFA standpoint, my guess is we'll have to take a "strength in numbers" approach. If we only have 2.9 mill to spend, spread it around 10 guys or so and hope we hit on one of them.

[NonProfitCow]

Wouldn't this CBA actually put more of a focus on the Scouting/Development offices and programs instead of discouraging them? There's just more pressure to pick the right players, hence the need for a better scouting/development department.

 

But what are you scouting and developing? What's the point of building infrastructure and academies in Latin America if you are only allowed $40 on your Intl budget?

And international players have to register, immediately going on every other team's radar.

[ctcf]

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin

It's unfair to tell teams to use (not pocket) revenue-sharing $, then prevent them from using it to build thru draft. More Pat Meares deals?

 

Not sure I'm following him there.

 

There was internal pressure on teams who were receiving revenue sharing and didn't have high major league payrolls. Teams like the Royals and Pirates were wisely spending a sizable amount of their budget on IFA and the draft, now the only way to spend that revenue sharing money is to sign more dumbass deals like the Pirates did for the 42 years under Littlefield.

 

Just realized the limit this year is 2.9. That's insane.