NFL Week 10

[JimSorgi]

Nice game, Panthers. If there's a team that can lose to the Colts, it's us in two weeks.

Newton will destroy the Colts.

[tfarks]

At the very least Newton has 2 rushing TD's against them.

[CubColtPacer]

Nice game, Panthers. If there's a team that can lose to the Colts, it's us in two weeks.

Newton will destroy the Colts.

 

Yeah, I don't see how the Colts win that game. They haven't had an offensive touchdown in 2 full games, and the two weeks before that they only had 1 garbage time TD each week. Their one INT each of the last two weeks are their only 2 takeaways in the last 7 1/2 games! The only thing the Colts can do decently is run the ball-who ever thought that would be the thing said about a Colts team?

[Soul]

This could get interesting if the Colts really do go 0-16.

 

How can they actually pick Luck? It means, by definition, they're numbering the days of Peyton Manning - the greatest thing that's ever happened to their franchise.

 

How can they really do that? He's not even had a chance to really show he can come back yet. That would be a slap in the face of a legend, of epic proportions. Something that I dare say has never been seen, ever before.

[Andy]

This could get interesting if the Colts really do go 0-16.

 

How can they actually pick Luck? It means, by definition, they're numbering the days of Peyton Manning - the greatest thing that's ever happened to their franchise.

 

How can they really do that? He's not even had a chance to really show he can come back yet. That would be a slap in the face of a legend, of epic proportions. Something that I dare say has never been seen, ever before.

I don't know if this is sarcastic or not, but Green Bay just did this exact thing six years ago, with a much less injury-riddled QB and a much lower draft pick. And I'm fairly sure it worked out ok. NFL franchises have to do what's best for them, they can't afford to honor history.

[Soul]

This could get interesting if the Colts really do go 0-16.

 

How can they actually pick Luck? It means, by definition, they're numbering the days of Peyton Manning - the greatest thing that's ever happened to their franchise.

 

How can they really do that? He's not even had a chance to really show he can come back yet. That would be a slap in the face of a legend, of epic proportions. Something that I dare say has never been seen, ever before.

I don't know if this is sarcastic or not, but Green Bay just did this exact thing six years ago, with a much less injury-riddled QB and a much lower draft pick. And I'm fairly sure it worked out ok. NFL franchises have to do what's best for them, they can't afford to honor history.

 

Not even close. Favre was much closer to being done. And the Packers have always had way more going for them than just a QB.

 

This is most certainly not a sarcastic post.

 

Every bit of excitement Colts fans have experienced over the past decade can be traced to one man. To cut off his balls without even giving him a shot to show he's still viable would be ridiculous.

 

And let's be honest. Luck's not sitting around for years. This isn't Rodgers, a QB drafted much lower and made to sit because of that and learn. This is the single most well regarded QB coming out of college in a long while. He's starting year 2 for sure, or it's a major slap in his face.

 

Sorry, but I think there's huge fallout if the Colts draft Luck. Let's stop acting like this is a simple thing. It's not. Peyton Manning is that city, and in spite of his injury, there's still reason to believe he's got many years left as a QB. This isn't Favre. Not by a long shot.

[Andy]

This neck injury is unpredictable and, seemingly, unprecedented. There's every chance Manning will either never be able to play again or would be risking major long-term health problems if he did. Luckily for Indy, they will have five more months to figure this out before having to make the decision.

[SpongeWorthy]

Colts are picking Luck and not thinking about it particularly hard.

[Soul]

Then there's going to be some pretty massive fallout. Especially if Manning can play again.

[Guest]

Colts are picking Luck and not thinking about it particularly hard.

It may depend on what they get offered for the pick.

[Soul]

The Jets offense reminds me of what the Bears looked like when we had Shane Matthews.

[TruffleShuffle]

Then there's going to be some pretty massive fallout. Especially if Manning can play again.

 

why? manning will be 36 next year and coming off a season that he didn't play because of a serious injury. even he would know that the colts would be foolish to pass up a franchise qb with the first overall pick. best case scenario, manning gets healthy and is able to be effective for another 4 years or whatever, but you can't count on that, not now. and if it does pan out that way, you've probably got two really good players at the most important position in sports, and should get a nice return no matter what direction you choose to go in.

[Andy]

Colts are picking Luck and not thinking about it particularly hard.

It may depend on what they get offered for the pick.

I think the reports of 3 #1's that have been floated by some are absurd, but NFL teams have surprised me before.

[Soul]

Then there's going to be some pretty massive fallout. Especially if Manning can play again.

 

why? manning will be 36 next year and coming off a season that he didn't play because of a serious injury. even he would know that the colts would be foolish to pass up a franchise qb with the first overall pick. best case scenario, manning gets healthy and is able to be effective for another 4 years or whatever, but you can't count on that, not now. and if it does pan out that way, you've probably got two really good players at the most important position in sports, and should get a nice return no matter what direction you choose to go in.

 

Because the situation is in flux, and they don't know. They also don't know if Luck will turn out or not.

 

Manning is the Colts. I don't think I can recall a guy who is more the defining franchise persona than this guy. It's really complicated to just throw him away, IMO. I think this is a huge, very difficult decision. People are acting like the Colts just pick Luck, like it's a slot machine and you're just pulling the arm down. This is the guy who has defined everything for you, for his entire career. There's really not much else the Colts can even hang their hats on. Manning is it. Throwing him away like so much garbage? Wow, that's a big deal IMHO.

 

I don't know. I'd be interested to see how a Colts fan feels about this

 

I mean, if it's the Dolphins at 0-16, it's a no-brainer. There's nothing else to consider. But shuffling off a legend without even a chance to see if he can be the returning hero? Wow, that's big stuff in my eyes.

[bcl412]

This could get interesting if the Colts really do go 0-16.

 

How can they actually pick Luck? It means, by definition, they're numbering the days of Peyton Manning - the greatest thing that's ever happened to their franchise.

 

How can they really do that? He's not even had a chance to really show he can come back yet. That would be a slap in the face of a legend, of epic proportions. Something that I dare say has never been seen, ever before.

I don't know if this is sarcastic or not, but Green Bay just did this exact thing six years ago, with a much less injury-riddled QB and a much lower draft pick. And I'm fairly sure it worked out ok. NFL franchises have to do what's best for them, they can't afford to honor history.

 

Not even close. Favre was much closer to being done. And the Packers have always had way more going for them than just a QB.

 

 

Manning is about the same age Favre was when they drafted Rodgers. Getting a good QB (especially one like Luck) is what you need to do.

 

The other thing I'm not really understanding is that I don't understand how it's not comparable to Favre.

[TruffleShuffle]

Because the situation is in flux, and they don't know. They also don't know if Luck will turn out or not.

 

well yeah, nobody knows if any draft pick will turn out good. but i think basically everyone has luck pegged as the best player in the draft so "don't know if he will turn out or not" shouldn't weigh into their decision. if you don't think that the consensus best player in the draft is worth pulling the trigger on then you probably shouldn't draft anyone ever.

 

also, i don't know why you think that drafting luck means manning is immediately gone. i'm a big believer that if a guy's good enough, he'll pan out regardless of whether you play him right away or not - aikman and manning played right away on horrible teams; rodgers (extreme example, sitting for multiple years) and mcnabb and brady didn't. it wouldn't be a bad thing for luck to sit behind manning for a year or two; he could probably learn quite a bit and enjoy not getting wailed on. and like i said, if manning has a monster year and looks like he has plenty left in the tank, then they can shop luck and get quite a bit for him.

[Sammys Boombox]

Since November 25, 2010 the Packers, Lions, and Bears are a combined 29-7 in games not played against each other. 3 of those 7 losses were against the 14-2 Patriots, 2 against Atlanta, 1 against San Francisco, and 1 against New Orleans. The NFC North is very, very good.

 

Bears are 15-6 since the end of October last year with losses to New England, GB (3 times), New Orleans, and Detroit.

 

Packers are 14-0 in their last 14 and 19-3 their last 22 with losses to Atlanta, Detroit, and New England.

 

Lions are 10-3 their last 13 with losses to Chicago, San Francisco, and Atlanta.

[CubColtPacer]

First things first with Manning. The Colts have to decide if they are even going to keep him or release him in February. When Manning signed his big deal during training camp, he made it essentially a 1 year deal with a 4 year extension precisely because he knew he wasn't healthy when he signed it. The Colts have a 28 million dollar option to pick up on Manning for next year. If he's not healthy, they may decline that option and make him a free agent. Whether he would come back to the Colts then on a lower salary is anyone's guess.

 

I'm hoping that Manning comes back healthy and they trade the rights for Luck for a king's ransom (I really think something like the Ricky Williams deal could happen. Luck is the most sought after prospect in years, and now that they've fixed rookie contracts the #1 pick has become more valuable then it has been in a long, long time). If they take Luck (which is what I'm guessing they'll do), I don't see how they can sit him more than a year or two. He's too valuable to sit as long as Rodgers did. What they cannot do is take any other player with that #1 pick. That would be horribly foolish.

 

I don't think there will be any bad blood between Peyton and the Colts no matter how this ends, and as long as that is true I think the fanbase will follow.

[DivineBovine]

NFL is so unpredictable. Eagles lose as 2 TD favs. Unreal.

 

I'm starting to seriously doubt Andy Reid and the Eagles coaching staff. He has Vick dropping back and gunning it like he's Peyton Manning. Explain how McCoy gets 12 touches in a game they are leading by the mid 4th quarter. The guy only averages like 6 YPC, yet you give it to him 12 times.

 

Absolutely horrible.

[tfarks]

First things first with Manning. The Colts have to decide if they are even going to keep him or release him in February. When Manning signed his big deal during training camp, he made it essentially a 1 year deal with a 4 year extension precisely because he knew he wasn't healthy when he signed it. The Colts have a 28 million dollar option to pick up on Manning for next year. If he's not healthy, they may decline that option and make him a free agent. Whether he would come back to the Colts then on a lower salary is anyone's guess.

 

I'm hoping that Manning comes back healthy and they trade the rights for Luck for a king's ransom (I really think something like the Ricky Williams deal could happen. Luck is the most sought after prospect in years, and now that they've fixed rookie contracts the #1 pick has become more valuable then it has been in a long, long time). If they take Luck (which is what I'm guessing they'll do), I don't see how they can sit him more than a year or two. He's too valuable to sit as long as Rodgers did. What they cannot do is take any other player with that #1 pick. That would be horribly foolish.

 

I don't think there will be any bad blood between Peyton and the Colts no matter how this ends, and as long as that is true I think the fanbase will follow.

 

Yeah I agree. Manning's recovery is the #1 factor here. And what I hope to see happen. If he gets healthy again then Luck will be traded and used to go after another Super Bowl for Manning's last 4 years. This is a beautiful situation for the Colts. If Manning can't get healthy again, or doesn't return to form they roll with Luck. In the other direction, they probably win another Super Bowl based on what they do with the picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah I agree. Manning's recovery is the #1 factor here. And what I hope to see happen. If he gets healthy again then Luck will be traded and used to go after another Super Bowl for Manning's last 4 years. This is a beautiful situation for the Colts. If Manning can't get healthy again, or doesn't return to form they roll with Luck. In the other direction, they probably win another Super Bowl based on what they do with the picks.

 

I wouldn't exactly call it a beautiful situation. It's a silver lining to a pitiful season, but there are tough decisions to be made. Let's not pretend that cutting Manning won't have some negative effect on his relationship with the team. If they do trade the picks, they should ignore the desire for 3 #1s and get as many early picks in this year's draft and next as possible, to restock the team for Payton's last 3-4 years. Personally, the more I see of Luck, the more I doubt him as a can't miss guy. If they do cut Manning and go with Luck, they still have a god awful football team that needs to be completely rebuilt.

[Theo]

Plus Bill Polian has distinguished himself as one of the worst front office guys the past couple of years. He's been horrible.

[tfarks]

Yeah I agree. Manning's recovery is the #1 factor here. And what I hope to see happen. If he gets healthy again then Luck will be traded and used to go after another Super Bowl for Manning's last 4 years. This is a beautiful situation for the Colts. If Manning can't get healthy again, or doesn't return to form they roll with Luck. In the other direction, they probably win another Super Bowl based on what they do with the picks.

 

I wouldn't exactly call it a beautiful situation. It's a silver lining to a pitiful season, but there are tough decisions to be made. Let's not pretend that cutting Manning won't have some negative effect on his relationship with the team. If they do trade the picks, they should ignore the desire for 3 #1s and get as many early picks in this year's draft and next as possible, to restock the team for Payton's last 3-4 years. Personally, the more I see of Luck, the more I doubt him as a can't miss guy. If they do cut Manning and go with Luck, they still have a god awful football team that needs to be completely rebuilt.

 

Well you can call it whatever you want. But 1 losing season isn't really a huge deal considering how much they have been winning for a very long time. I'm right here in Indy and the sad Colts fan holding up a sign saying Where have all the good times gone? is not the normal reaction. It's a throwaway year to get a #1 pick, big deal.

 

And it's not really cutting Manning if the guy can't play anymore. If he can go, they will stick with him throughout his career. There will absolutely not be a scenario where Manning leaves and plays for another team. Irsay is 1000% behind Manning for life.

[jersey cubs fan]

And it's not really cutting Manning if the guy can't play anymore. If he can go, they will stick with him throughout his career. There will absolutely not be a scenario where Manning leaves and plays for another team. Irsay is 1000% behind Manning for life.

 

So then do they trade the picks for as much as possible or keep Luck on the bench? Because spending that much money on a backup QB when your starting QB makes so much is going to make it very difficult to add to that horrible team.

[treebird]

i don't think there's really any way you can have luck and manning on the same team.