Royals Acquire Jonathan Sanchez

[Epsteenie]

@Royals Royals acquire LHP Jonathan Sanchez and Ryan Verdugo from Giants for OF Melky Cabrera.

[davell]

Good trade for both teams.

[Post Count Padder]

Royals need pitching; Giants need an outfielder who is under 35 and doesn't totally suck. Looks like this one could work out for both teams.

[Formerly Snayke]

Sabean couldn't fool anyone else into taking Jonathan Sanchez? Melky was the best he could do?

[Guancous]

Hypothetical question: Would you trade Marlon Byrd for Jonathan Sanchez?

[davell]

Hypothetical question: Would you trade Marlon Byrd for Jonathan Sanchez?

Yes. He'd have been an upside guy for the rotation, fitting in anywhere from 2 to 5, depending on how he develops. And Byrd needs to be upgraded from anyway. A move like this could have started that move as well.

[SouthSideRyan]

Hypothetical question: Would you trade Marlon Byrd for Jonathan Sanchez?

 

Yes, but Marlon Byrd doesn't have the same value as Melky Cabrera currently does.

[Sammys Boombox]

Hypothetical question: Would you trade Marlon Byrd for Jonathan Sanchez?

 

This is what I immediately thought when I heard the news of this trade.

[dew1679666265]

Good trade for both teams.

 

I disagree, I actually think it was an awful trade by the Giants. Sanchez likely didn't have much value, but he still has some upside and if he can get his control together he could be pretty useful. I have no problem shopping him around and trying to deal him, but if Melky was the best they could do, I'd have kept him.

 

Melky had a bit of a breakout year last year, but prior to that had amassed 3.5 WAR in 6 MLB seasons (5 full). His highest slugging was .416 and his highest OBP was .336. Defensively, he's posted UZR/150s (career) of .5 in LF, -7.3 in CF, and 1.5 in RF.

 

He did break out a bit this year, but that only amounted to an .809 OPS with a still poor .339 OBP. During this breakout year, his BABIP was 40 points higher than his career average and his HR/FB ratio was the second highest of his career (9.8%). It could be a breakout year as he enters his prime, or it could be a normal season fueled by luck. It appears to me to be the latter and, if so, the Giants just gave up a lefty with some potential left for a hitter who's been bad in the minors and majors and then was overhyped by the Yankees.

[dew1679666265]

Hypothetical question: Would you trade Marlon Byrd for Jonathan Sanchez?

 

This is what I immediately thought when I heard the news of this trade.

 

Byrd was my first thought as well, but then I started thinking about Colvin. Colvin actually had a better minor league OPS than Melky and is a couple years younger. I'd like to have seen the Cubs get in on that and I think it would've been a better deal by the Giants. Colvin probably doesn't have the perceived value Melky does, though.

[XZero771679666304]

Good trade for both teams.

 

I disagree, I actually think it was an awful trade by the Giants. Sanchez likely didn't have much value, but he still has some upside and if he can get his control together he could be pretty useful. I have no problem shopping him around and trying to deal him, but if Melky was the best they could do, I'd have kept him.

 

Melky had a bit of a breakout year last year, but prior to that had amassed 3.5 WAR in 6 MLB seasons (5 full). His highest slugging was .416 and his highest OBP was .336. Defensively, he's posted UZR/150s (career) of .5 in LF, -7.3 in CF, and 1.5 in RF.

 

He did break out a bit this year, but that only amounted to an .809 OPS with a still poor .339 OBP. During this breakout year, his BABIP was 40 points higher than his career average and his HR/FB ratio was the second highest of his career (9.8%). It could be a breakout year as he enters his prime, or it could be a normal season fueled by luck. It appears to me to be the latter and, if so, the Giants just gave up a lefty with some potential left for a hitter who's been bad in the minors and majors and then was overhyped by the Yankees.

 

You have to imagine his numbers are going to take a significant, possibly huge hit going from Kauffman to AT&T Park. And I'd imagine his defense will be a bit more exposed. I really like this deal for the Royals, and it looks like another ill-advised move by Brian Sabean. I think they could have gotten more for Sanchez.

[NonProfitCow]

Hypothetical question: Would you trade Marlon Byrd for Jonathan Sanchez?

 

This is what I immediately thought when I heard the news of this trade.

 

Byrd was my first thought as well, but then I started thinking about Colvin. Colvin actually had a better minor league OPS than Melky and is a couple years younger. I'd like to have seen the Cubs get in on that and I think it would've been a better deal by the Giants. Colvin probably doesn't have the perceived value Melky does, though.

Colvin doesn't have any value at all.

[dew1679666265]

You have to imagine his numbers are going to take a significant, possibly huge hit going from Kauffman to AT&T Park. And I'd imagine his defense will be a bit more exposed. I really like this deal for the Royals, and it looks like another ill-advised move by Brian Sabean. I think they could have gotten more for Sanchez.

 

Off the top of my head, this one of few moves Dayton Moore has made that I've liked. He's built a great minor league system, but his major league moves have been pretty questionable at best. This was a clear and substantial win for him, I think.

[dew1679666265]

Colvin doesn't have any value at all.

 

Nor does Melky. Colvin is at least younger and cheaper for a longer period. Neither is particularly likely to have value going forward, so take the guy who's been slightly better in the minors, is a little younger, and is cheaper.

 

I'd have done neither deal if I were the Giants, though.

[SouthSideRyan]

Melky was pretty good last year.

 

I really wish we traded Colvin before last season.

[dew1679666265]

Melky was pretty good last year.

 

Largely fueled by luck, it appears. His BABIP was high, his HR/FB ratio was high, his BB% was at a career low, and his K% was at a career high (or close). The peripherals suggest a complete inability to sustain his 2011 numbers.

[NonProfitCow]

Colvin doesn't have any value at all.

 

Nor does Melky. Colvin is at least younger and cheaper for a longer period. Neither is particularly likely to have value going forward, so take the guy who's been slightly better in the minors, is a little younger, and is cheaper.

 

I'd have done neither deal if I were the Giants, though.

I don't know why you would look at Melky's numbers when he hasn't been in the minors since 2005. Colvin is a guy who K's in 25% of his PA and can't get on base at any level and only 1 year younger than Melky. Melky's not good, but Colvin is absolutely worthless.

[Magnetic Curses]

i would most definitely take sanchez for byrd. that k/9 is sexy.

[dew1679666265]

I don't know why you would look at Melky's numbers when he hasn't been in the minors since 2005. Colvin is a guy who K's in 25% of his PA and can't get on base at any level and only 1 year younger than Melky. Melky's not good, but Colvin is absolutely worthless.

 

Melky's been worse in the majors (.729 OPS) than he was in the minors (.765 OPS). Mainly I used Melky's minor league numbers because Colvin doesn't really have much of a major league track record.

 

If you look at each player's major league track record, though, you'll see Melky with a 7.4% BB% and Colvin with a 7.2%, Melky with a career .056 IsoD and Colvin with a career .059 IsoD. Colvin's K% has been abysmal at the ML level and his power has probably been propped up by a lot of luck in 2010 on home runs. However, if I'm considering two players with no track record of success in the majors or minors, I'm going to prefer the one who is one year younger and won't be a free agent until 2016 as opposed to the one who's going to be 28 and will be a free agent in 2013.

[SouthSideRyan]

Melky was pretty good last year.

 

Largely fueled by luck, it appears. His BABIP was high, his HR/FB ratio was high, his BB% was at a career low, and his K% was at a career high (or close). The peripherals suggest a complete inability to sustain his 2011 numbers.

 

Well, I certainly didn't look that far into it.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Smart move by the Royals. Potential power lefty arm and whoever that other guy is for the somehow overrated Melky Cabrera....

 

Edit: Didn't realize Cabrera actually had a solid year last year. Still not a huge fan of him as a player...He's not even good defensively.

[dew1679666265]

Well, I certainly didn't look that far into it.

 

I only did because WSR brought him up previously and I was intrigued. Then I saw the previous numbers and this year's peripherals and lost all intrigue.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Oh and I'm going to go ahead and say I'd take Tyler Colvin ahead of Melky Cabrera moving forward. Better athlete, more power, more speed, more glove...Colvin looked like crap for alot of last year, but he did flash all those things at times. No way he's that bad twice in a row like that anyway. He did do this coming off a year which ended with him getting stabbed in the chest with a broken bat....I could see Colvin being one of those guys who throws up a strong season at 28-30 and doing alright for himself and team/s after that.

[17 Seconds]

tyler colvin sucked in the minors, and he sucks in the majors.

 

tyler colvin sucks.

[davell]

I think Colvin's upside at this point is a 4th OFer for a small market team. I hope he proves me wrong, but I'll be shocked if he's even here by the beginning of 2013. Either traded or released possibly, depending on his option situation at that point. A Hendry type guy that Theo will give a quick chance to try and maximize his value and when that probably doesn't work, he'll be gone soon after. Even still, Quade should have played him a hell of a lot more at the end of last season.