Yooooooooooooennis Cespedes: To Oakland pg 44

[Guest]

Sign Cespedes, sell high on Jackson?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's a 26-year-old who has never played in a league that comps to better than High A ball. I am not at all confident in his abilities. He is a prospect, not a MLB commodity, at this point.

[Little Slide Rooter]

He's a 26-year-old who has never played in a league that comps to better than High A ball. I am not at all confident in his abilities. He is a prospect, not a MLB commodity, at this point.

 

Whoever signs him is essentially buying a close to big league ready top 10-25 prospect. I think that a lot of teams would be OK with that if the price is something like 6/35. Assuming that the Cubs plan is to contend in roughly 3 years, that's the kind of gamble we should be making.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[davell]

Sign Cespedes, sell high on Jackson?

Hell, part of me is pulling for a Cespedes/Jackson/Sizemore OF for 2012.

[Guest]

He's a 26-year-old who has never played in a league that comps to better than High A ball. I am not at all confident in his abilities. He is a prospect, not a MLB commodity, at this point.

 

And that's why he'd be going for like $8M a year based on his potential and not the $20+ he'd command if he becomes what he might.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Whoever signs him is essentially buying a close to big league ready top 10-25 prospect. I think that a lot of teams would be OK with that if the price is something like 6/35. Assuming that the Cubs plan is to contend in roughly 3 years, that's the kind of gamble we should be making.

 

I don't believe that's in evidence at this point. If that's what Epstein believes, I'll trust him, but a flash video and a Cuban HR record do not convince me of that.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sign Cespedes, sell high on Jackson?

Hell, part of me is pulling for a Cespedes/Jackson/Sizemore OF for 2012.

 

All of me would be happy with that. Byrd would be easy to move. I bet we could sell a defensively lacking AL team like the A's or Mariners on Soriano for some quality prospects assuming we eat a significant amount of his salary.

[jersey cubs fan]

Whoever signs him is essentially buying a close to big league ready top 10-25 prospect. I think that a lot of teams would be OK with that if the price is something like 6/35. Assuming that the Cubs plan is to contend in roughly 3 years, that's the kind of gamble we should be making.

 

I don't believe that's in evidence at this point. If that's what Epstein believes, I'll trust him, but a flash video and a Cuban HR record do not convince me of that.

 

If he is at all legit, he's big league ready. Maybe he won't be any good, but he's 26 and has played a lot of baseball, so if he's not even close to big league ready he's not going to get any money.

[Guest]

He's a 26-year-old who has never played in a league that comps to better than High A ball. I am not at all confident in his abilities. He is a prospect, not a MLB commodity, at this point.

 

Hence the need for extensively scouting his workouts. He's an international FA that has been compared to Chapman the whole time, is this a surprise to you?

 

 

FWIW, he was 3 for 7 with a 3B, BB, and 2 K against Japan in the 2009 WBC. Cuba never played the US or any other strong baseball country like the DR or Venezuela.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Whoever signs him is essentially buying a close to big league ready top 10-25 prospect. I think that a lot of teams would be OK with that if the price is something like 6/35. Assuming that the Cubs plan is to contend in roughly 3 years, that's the kind of gamble we should be making.

 

I don't believe that's in evidence at this point. If that's what Epstein believes, I'll trust him, but a flash video and a Cuban HR record do not convince me of that.

 

That's why it's a gamble. Like you, if it came down to a choice, I'd prefer Fielder or Pujols any day of the week, but if that's not in the cards and they're thinking more long term this is the type of guy to gamble on. Whether or not the Cubs plan to spend big free agent money in the next 2-3 years, they do have it and even if he was a complete bust, by they time they decide to spend again the 6-7 mil/year wouldn't be any kind of hinderance. If he does end up living up to the hype, it could end up one of the best deals in baseball.

[Guest]

http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2011/11/18/what-it-will-take-to-sign-cespedes/

 

Repost?

 

According to a league source familiar with his status, the asking price for Cespedes could be double that of Aroldis Chapman, the Cuban pitcher with the Reds.

 

In January of 2010, Chapman signed a six-year deal worth $30.25 million. Cespedes, the source said, could be seeking more than double Chapman’s salary over eight years. Technically, no negotiations can take place until after he is declared a free agent.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's a 26-year-old who has never played in a league that comps to better than High A ball. I am not at all confident in his abilities. He is a prospect, not a MLB commodity, at this point.

 

Hence the need for extensively scouting his workouts. He's an international FA that has been compared to Chapman the whole time, is this a surprise to you?

 

 

FWIW, he was 3 for 7 with a 3B, BB, and 2 K against Japan in the 2009 WBC. Cuba never played the US or any other strong baseball country like the DR or Venezuela.

 

It's not a surprise to me that he's being compared to Chapman. It's a surprise to me that the asking price has shot from $30 million to $50 million.

[Guest]

He's a 26-year-old who has never played in a league that comps to better than High A ball. I am not at all confident in his abilities. He is a prospect, not a MLB commodity, at this point.

 

Hence the need for extensively scouting his workouts. He's an international FA that has been compared to Chapman the whole time, is this a surprise to you?

 

 

FWIW, he was 3 for 7 with a 3B, BB, and 2 K against Japan in the 2009 WBC. Cuba never played the US or any other strong baseball country like the DR or Venezuela.

 

It's not a surprise to me that he's being compared to Chapman. It's a surprise to me that the asking price has shot from $30 million to $50 million.

 

 

Weren't the reports always that he wanted something "in excess" of Chapman's deal? I mean, $20M is a lot of excess, but I'm not surprised that when it was characterized in that vague of a way, he is looking to blow the doors off of Chapman's deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

asking prices don't surprise me. The actual offer might, but agents like throwing out gigantic numbers.

[Clem Fandango]

Wasn't there an analysts (maybe Keith Law) who said that if Cespedes entered the amateur draft he'd likely go in the Top 5, and would be a whole lot of teams #1 overall pick, possibly the #1 overal in the entire draft?

[Guest]

Wasn't there an analysts (maybe Keith Law) who said that if Cespedes entered the amateur draft he'd likely go in the Top 5, and would be a whole lot of teams #1 overall pick, possibly the #1 overal in the entire draft?

 

 

Yea.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Wasn't there an analysts (maybe Keith Law) who said that if Cespedes entered the amateur draft he'd likely go in the Top 5, and would be a whole lot of teams #1 overall pick, possibly the #1 overal in the entire draft?

 

It's not strictly comparable because he wasn't a free agent, but Bryce Harper got a total of $9.9 million.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wasn't there an analysts (maybe Keith Law) who said that if Cespedes entered the amateur draft he'd likely go in the Top 5, and would be a whole lot of teams #1 overall pick, possibly the #1 overal in the entire draft?

 

It's not strictly comparable because he wasn't a free agent, but Bryce Harper got a total of $9.9 million.

 

Strasburg got 15 and Samardzija got 10. And none of these guys were free agents.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So how much is too much, then?

[jersey cubs fan]

So how much is too much, then?

 

I would flinch at $50. But I would not cry if they gave it to him.

[Guest]

Wasn't there an analysts (maybe Keith Law) who said that if Cespedes entered the amateur draft he'd likely go in the Top 5, and would be a whole lot of teams #1 overall pick, possibly the #1 overal in the entire draft?

 

Ben Badler, BA's international guy.

[Elrhino]

Sign Cespedes, sell high on Jackson?

Hell, part of me is pulling for a Cespedes/Jackson/Sizemore OF for 2012.

 

All of me would be happy with that. Byrd would be easy to move. I bet we could sell a defensively lacking AL team like the A's or Mariners on Soriano for some quality prospects assuming we eat a significant amount of his salary.

 

The Rangers would probably be very interested in Byrd. They absolutely loved him while he was there, and they need a bridge player at CF until Leonys Martin is ready to bring up full time. They have more RHP prospects than they know what to do with.

[RammyFanny]

Now they're saying possibly 8 years 60 million. On one hand 60 million is alot; on the other hand, that could be a flat out steal if he turns out to be really good and you have him locked in at 7 million a year for 8 straight years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Now they're saying possibly 8 years 60 million. On one hand 60 million is alot; on the other hand, that could be a flat out steal if he turns out to be really good and you have him locked in at 7 million a year for 8 straight years.

 

Yup. Like I said before, The Cubs may look like a straight to DVD Major League sequel at this moment, but they are still a big money team, and whatever becomes of him in the next 8 years, the money isn't going to be too much of a burdon on us going forword.

[Guest]

While the Cubs are in need of impact players, Hoyer, along with Epstein, will personally go see Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes in the Dominican Republic on Monday. The Cubs top two executives and some scouts will have a private workout with the 26-year-old Cuban defector, who is now living in the Dominican Republic.

 

Cespedes agent, Adam Katz, describes Cespedes as as a five-tool player as well as an upstanding individual. The price tag for Cespedes may be five years and $40 million. The Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees and Detroit Tigers will all have private workouts as well, and the Florida Marlins have already had one.

 

Nothing really new here. 40/5 would be decent, I guess.

 

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