Ramirez declines option

[hankp101]

Right now the only things I'm fairly confident about holding true with the position players next year is that the Cubs will play better defense and will get on base more. There are about a million ways to get from here to there, so it'll be fun watching Theo and Hoyer's plan to get there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Right now the only things I'm fairly confident about holding true with the position players next year is that the Cubs will play better defense and will get on base more. There are about a million ways to get from here to there, so it'll be fun watching Theo and Hoyer's plan to get there.

 

I'm curious how you make that assumption at this point, especially the on base part. Their three best OBP contributors, Fukudome, Ramirez and Pena, are either gone or very likely to be gone. I would not make that assumption until I see the replacements.

[davearm2]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

[Guest]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

 

 

Carmine is an information management system. Fancy way of saying database/spreadsheet hybrid. It's not spitting out it's own evaluations on players. It's just collecting data (including the scouting reports input by their scouts), calculating some of their stats and presenting it to them in a convenient/centralized way.

[Tracer Bullet]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

Yes, the Cubs paid millions to Theo, et al to read the decisions made by a computer. That's exactly how this works.

[davearm2]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

 

 

Carmine is an information management system. Fancy way of saying database/spreadsheet hybrid. It's not spitting out it's own evaluations on players. It's just collecting data (including the scouting reports input by their scouts), calculating some of their stats and presenting it to them in a convenient/centralized way.

You don't think there's any kind of forecasting component built into this thing? It just compiles and organizes historical statistics, but doesn't make any attempt to project?

[Guest]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

 

 

Carmine is an information management system. Fancy way of saying database/spreadsheet hybrid. It's not spitting out it's own evaluations on players. It's just collecting data (including the scouting reports input by their scouts), calculating some of their stats and presenting it to them in a convenient/centralized way.

You don't think there's any kind of forecasting component built into this thing? It just compiles and organizes historical statistics, but doesn't make any attempt to project?

 

I meant to imply that sort of thing in "calculating some of their stats," although maybe I should've been more explicit. I highly doubt it's actually making any sort of evaluations, however. Just collecting and calculating hard data. The people make the evaluations.

[hankp101]

Right now the only things I'm fairly confident about holding true with the position players next year is that the Cubs will play better defense and will get on base more. There are about a million ways to get from here to there, so it'll be fun watching Theo and Hoyer's plan to get there.

 

I'm curious how you make that assumption at this point, especially the on base part. Their three best OBP contributors, Fukudome, Ramirez and Pena, are either gone or very likely to be gone. I would not make that assumption until I see the replacements.

 

I'm less confident that Pena is gone, but regardless of whether he is, I would be shocked if whoever they bring in to man 1B and 3B don't get on base at a solid clip. Throw in the possibility that they could potentially trade any of Soriano, Byrd and Barney and replace them with higher OBP guys and the push for exsiting guys on the roster to play the game more in the new "Cub's Way", and I think it's a reasonable assumption.

[davearm2]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

Yes, the Cubs paid millions to Theo, et al to read the decisions made by a computer. That's exactly how this works.

I don't know why I'm dignifying this drivel with a response, but whatever...

 

The Cubs paid millions to Theo in part because he's on the cutting edge of incorporating sabermetric analysis into baseball operations. He does this work with a proprietary computer model he developed.

 

Theo makes the decisions. The model gives him the best quantifiable information available to guide those decisions.

 

Hope this helps.

[davearm2]

Computer models? Don't be that guy.

Wha? We're not allowed to refer to Carmine as a computer model?

 

What is it properly called then?

 

 

Carmine is an information management system. Fancy way of saying database/spreadsheet hybrid. It's not spitting out it's own evaluations on players. It's just collecting data (including the scouting reports input by their scouts), calculating some of their stats and presenting it to them in a convenient/centralized way.

You don't think there's any kind of forecasting component built into this thing? It just compiles and organizes historical statistics, but doesn't make any attempt to project?

 

I meant to imply that sort of thing in "calculating some of their stats," although maybe I should've been more explicit. I highly doubt it's actually making any sort of evaluations, however. Just collecting and calculating hard data. The people make the evaluations.

I can't imagine why anyone would oppose describing such a tool as a "computer model", especially inasmuch as its proprietary algorithms are what drives its value, but whatever.

[Tracer Bullet]

Probably a combination of the reputation you've worked hard to establish and the pretty strong implication from your posts that the computer is driving or guiding the decisions.

 

Hope that helps.

[davearm2]

Probably a combination of the reputation you've worked hard to establish and the pretty strong implication from your posts that the computer is driving or guiding the decisions.

 

Hope that helps.

I haven't worked hard to establish a reputation. I couldn't care less about my reputation on this board. I'm here to discuss baseball and voice my opinion. Shame on you for suggesting there's anything else going on.

 

The computer model *is* guiding decisions. Not sure why that's objectionable, or even disputable. In fact I'm at a loss to understand what other reason there would be to build it in the first place, if not to guide decisions.

[Tracer Bullet]

Using the info as one data point in the decision is clearly what Theo does and what many people here are excited to have. Your posts suggested something stronger than that, again, based in part on your reputation. I don't much care how you feel about your reputation either. But it's there so it's going to color the way people read your posts.

[Sammy Sofa]

What if a bird flies through the window and hits the computer?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I'm still stunned by how much I hear about this Carmine thing. Who in the [expletive] introduced us lowly fans to even the idea/concept of this thing?

[Guest]

I'm still stunned by how much I hear about this Carmine thing. Who in the [expletive] introduced us lowly fans to even the idea/concept of this thing?

 

I could swear I answered this before, but it was known about locally in Boston and it got bigger when it was mentioned in the big SI piece on Boston's front office in September.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I'm still stunned by how much I hear about this Carmine thing. Who in the [expletive] introduced us lowly fans to even the idea/concept of this thing?

 

I could swear I answered this before, but it was known about locally in Boston and it got bigger when it was mentioned in the big SI piece on Boston's front office in September.

 

I maybe missed it before. Sounds like a glorified Excel spreadsheet. I think the name Carmine is what is annoying me...it's so obnoxiously Boston. Or maybe it's the personification of a database...

[davearm2]

Using the info as one data point in the decision is clearly what Theo does and what many people here are excited to have. Your posts suggested something stronger than that, again, based in part on your reputation. I don't much care how you feel about your reputation either. But it's there so it's going to color the way people read your posts.

My post didn't suggest something stronger than that. The only thing implied by my post is that the sabermetrics (which come out of -- you guessed it -- a computer model) indicate Ramirez is not going to be worth his next contract. Further, Theo appears to be basing his decision not to retain Ramirez primarily on that analysis.

 

If you inferred anything beyond that, you were mistaken. Now you're trying to justify your error by attacking me over my reputation. Regardless, your hostile tone is unwarranted and certainly unhelpful. My suggestion is that you apologize, so we can all move on.

[Tracer Bullet]

Hahaha.

[NonProfitCow]

I think he doesn't want Ramirez due to a lack of bunting practice.

[Sammy Sofa]

I have a suggestion.

[treebird]

my favorite computer model is s1m0ne

[Rob]

my favorite computer model is s1m0ne

 

You're crazy.

 

Aimi Eguchi

[17 Seconds]

video of carmine in action (1:55)

 

[Rob]

video of carmine in action (1:55)

 

 

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