Jose Reyes

[apete6]

Does he fit the mold of in his prime, up the middle, high OBP, elite defender that Theo has mentioned?

 

Obviously you have the injury concern and he'll probably be overpaid, but would a 5/$85MM be something the Cubs should be interested in?

 

Move Reyes or Castro to 2B and then you have an up the middle core of Soto, Reyes, Castro, and Jackson for the next few years. Could be interesting, but he'll probably get way more than $85MM.

[davell]

I think Reyes is the one bigtime FA this offseason we literally won't be linked to at all.

[SouthSideRyan]

Does he fit the mold of in his prime, up the middle, high OBP, elite defender that Theo has mentioned?

 

 

I don't think he fits either of the last 2 qualities.

 

Up the middle is the one spot we don't need to bring in new players for. Between Soto, Castro, Jackson/Szczur, and Barney/DeWitt/DJL/Flaherty/Gonzalez, the Cubs should be fine.

[17 Seconds]

Definitely pass

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Really exciting and fun player, but not someone I want to throw a ton of money at.

[bukie]

Does he fit the mold of in his prime, up the middle, high OBP, elite defender that Theo has mentioned?

 

 

I don't think he fits either of the last 2 qualities.

 

Up the middle is the one spot we don't need to bring in new players for. Between Soto, Castro, Jackson/Szczur, and Barney/DeWitt/DJL/Flaherty/Gonzalez, the Cubs should be fine.

Yeah, given the Cubs' draft strategy the past several years of drafting almost exclusively SS and failed SS, if they can manage to generate an ability to do any kind of positive development on the existing prospects it should at least keep their up the middle options covered.

[apete6]

Does he fit the mold of in his prime, up the middle, high OBP, elite defender that Theo has mentioned?

 

 

I don't think he fits either of the last 2 qualities.

 

Up the middle is the one spot we don't need to bring in new players for. Between Soto, Castro, Jackson/Szczur, and Barney/DeWitt/DJL/Flaherty/Gonzalez, the Cubs should be fine.

 

Yeah, he hasn't really shown a high OBP until last year when he was .384, which is pretty damn good. From 06-08, he was around .350, which isn't good enough for a highly paid top of the order hitter. Also, I still think he's a pretty damn good defender, especially if moved to 2B. Not worth the risk of another terrible contract, probably, though.

 

The only thing about the up the middle "prospects" we have is that outside of Castro, none of them have "star" potential and the Barney/DeWitt/DJL/Flaherty poo-poo platter all have a chance to be below league average, meaning we'll have to have some sort of option at 2B that could be decent at some point if we plan on contending.

[SouthSideRyan]

While you should never actively look for a player who will be just ok because of where he plays, having a collection of guys who can shake out to be league average at 2B for league minimum is a huge asset. You don't pay real money for guys like the Cubs 2B collection, but you take advantage of the time they cost you no money, then spin them off when they hit arb.

[Guest]

Yeah, he hasn't really shown a high OBP until last year when he was .384, which is pretty damn good. From 06-08, he was around .350, which isn't good enough for a highly paid top of the order hitter. Also, I still think he's a pretty damn good defender, especially if moved to 2B. Not worth the risk of another terrible contract, probably, though.

 

The only thing about the up the middle "prospects" we have is that outside of Castro, none of them have "star" potential and the Barney/DeWitt/DJL/Flaherty poo-poo platter all have a chance to be below league average, meaning we'll have to have some sort of option at 2B that could be decent at some point if we plan on contending.

 

 

That's because he hit .337. An IsoD (isolated discipline - fancy way of saying OBP-AVG) of 47 is not all that great.

 

Also, according to BR (not sure how highly/lowly regarded their defensive WAR calculation is), he was below replacement level defensively last year and hasn't been above since 07.

[apete6]

While you should never actively look for a player who will be just ok because of where he plays, having a collection of guys who can shake out to be league average at 2B for league minimum is a huge asset. You don't pay real money for guys like the Cubs 2B collection, but you take advantage of the time they cost you no money, then spin them off when they hit arb.

 

That I can agree with. The Cubs handled Theriot pretty well in that regard. If they are OK doing that with Barney, etc, that would be fine...as long as they can make up for it with star players at other positions. The only problem is that there is really no one in the system that we can project to be a star player the next 3 years. Brett Jackson could be above average in CF and give us good value, but that's not good enough to win titles. The Cards do a decent job of this with some of their guys (Craig, Jay, Freese, 2B, etc..) but they also have Pujols and Holliday to supplement that.

[El Duderino]

pretty sure Jose Reyes' hamstrings are held together by floss

[Rob]

If Jose Reyes doesn't come to the Cubs, that's probably a good move.

 

If Jose Reyes does come to the Cubs, it's probably in concert with a few other moves and will end up being a good move.

 

This is the problem I'm having with Theo in charge right now. I can't get outraged over the idea of anything because I know his moves will make sense in a big picture way. As somebody who really enjoyed pointing out exactly how stupid Hendry's moves were, this is really messing with my offseason.

[Guest]

If Jose Reyes doesn't come to the Cubs, that's probably a good move.

 

If Jose Reyes does come to the Cubs, it's probably in concert with a few other moves and will end up being a good move.

 

This is the problem I'm having with Theo in charge right now. I can't get outraged over the idea of anything because I know his moves will make sense in a big picture way. As somebody who really enjoyed pointing out exactly how stupid Hendry's moves were, this is really messing with my offseason.

 

 

Yep. I'm ok with decisions being made that I'm not necessarily for as long as there is sound reasoning/philosophy behind them.

[CyHawk_Cub]

If Jose Reyes doesn't come to the Cubs, that's probably a good move.

 

If Jose Reyes does come to the Cubs, it's probably in concert with a few other moves and will end up being a good move.

 

This is the problem I'm having with Theo in charge right now. I can't get outraged over the idea of anything because I know his moves will make sense in a big picture way. As somebody who really enjoyed pointing out exactly how stupid Hendry's moves were, this is really messing with my offseason.

 

Same. It was great sport ridiculing Hendry's Hot Stove moves. Makes for less hilarity, but still a comforting feeling there's a sound basis for every move that's made going forward.

[brinoch]

It will be fun to try and figure out the rationale Theo et al use in a particular instance, or as a part of the whole. This is a great contrast to the constant wtf! moments of the Hendry era.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

If Jose Reyes doesn't come to the Cubs, that's probably a good move.

 

If Jose Reyes does come to the Cubs, it's probably in concert with a few other moves and will end up being a good move.

 

This is the problem I'm having with Theo in charge right now. I can't get outraged over the idea of anything because I know his moves will make sense in a big picture way. As somebody who really enjoyed pointing out exactly how stupid Hendry's moves were, this is really messing with my offseason.

 

I'll say that a leadoff hitter is a hole to this.

[Guest]

The only thing about the up the middle "prospects" we have is that outside of Castro, none of them have "star" potential and the Barney/DeWitt/DJL/Flaherty poo-poo platter all have a chance to be below league average, meaning we'll have to have some sort of option at 2B that could be decent at some point if we plan on contending.

That's true at the upper levels, but there are several high-ceiling guys at the lower levels of the system.

[brinoch]

If Jose Reyes doesn't come to the Cubs, that's probably a good move.

 

If Jose Reyes does come to the Cubs, it's probably in concert with a few other moves and will end up being a good move.

 

This is the problem I'm having with Theo in charge right now. I can't get outraged over the idea of anything because I know his moves will make sense in a big picture way. As somebody who really enjoyed pointing out exactly how stupid Hendry's moves were, this is really messing with my offseason.

 

I'll say that a leadoff hitter is a hole to this.

 

:scratch:

 

Are you... Are you saying... Are you saying that leadoff hitter is a need for the Cubs? No. That's not possible.

[Guest]

If Jose Reyes doesn't come to the Cubs, that's probably a good move.

 

If Jose Reyes does come to the Cubs, it's probably in concert with a few other moves and will end up being a good move.

 

This is the problem I'm having with Theo in charge right now. I can't get outraged over the idea of anything because I know his moves will make sense in a big picture way. As somebody who really enjoyed pointing out exactly how stupid Hendry's moves were, this is really messing with my offseason.

 

I'll say that a leadoff hitter is a hole to this.

Sorry...what do you mean by this? I've read Rob's post and yours about 4 times now and I can't figure it out.

[Rob]

There's a hole in my heart for a leadoff hitter to fill maybe?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Sorry...what do you mean by this? I've read Rob's post and yours about 4 times now and I can't figure it out.

 

Yeah I see what you mean...wow did that post not fit at all. Sorry...

 

If Reyes comes at a low enough price (say 5/65-75 or even 6 with those numbers) then he'd be a great secondary signing to one of the 1B bats. I wouldn't mind this if they lost out of the three big pitching names that might be on the FA market. The lineup would be pretty much set for years with Reyes - Castro - Fielder/Puojols at the top.

[Guest]

Sorry...what do you mean by this? I've read Rob's post and yours about 4 times now and I can't figure it out.

 

Yeah I see what you mean...wow did that post not fit at all. Sorry...

 

If Reyes comes at a low enough price (say 5/65-75 or even 6 with those numbers) then he'd be a great secondary signing to one of the 1B bats. I wouldn't mind this if they lost out of the three big pitching names that might be on the FA market. The lineup would be pretty much set for years with Reyes - Castro - Fielder/Puojols at the top.

Gotcha.

 

I don't agree, but now I get what you're saying.

[Proven Veteran]

Jose Reyes has had 3 6+ WAR seasons, and another at 5.8. Prince Fielder has had 1 6+ WAR season.

[apete6]

Jose Reyes has had 3 6+ WAR seasons, and another at 5.8. Prince Fielder has had 1 6+ WAR season.

 

Reyes also had another at 5.8, though it was highly due to his best defensive season (2007). Prince also had a 5.5 this season compared to Reyes' 6.2.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Jose Reyes has had 3 6+ WAR seasons, and another at 5.8. Prince Fielder has had 1 6+ WAR season.

I don't think you'll find many that think Reyes is not a good player. The problem is, he will cost a lot of money and plays a position where we don't have a huge hole to fill. Prince Fielder will cost a lot of money and fill a huge hole. Priorities, man.