Jason McLeod Coming to Chicago

[North Iowa Cub]

Really not sure what way to go here....

I could rename daughter #3 Jason McLeod or I could wait until a field manager is named and go with that....

 

Either way, I think unborn #4 will be Starlin. Just easier if its actually on the birth certificate.

[Magnetic Curses]

So, does this basically signify the end of Tim Wilken's run here?

 

Maybe the end of Tim Wilken's free reign here.

 

CCP would say that epstein has a lot of respect for wilken's work.

 

i would say that mcleod is going to be doing that job, for all intents and purposes.

 

I'm ok with it if he does. But the early reports don't have McLeod becoming the scouting director for the Cubs. I'm sure he will have significant input into the draft either way, but it's left to be seen if he's replacing Wilken or not.

 

i said for all intents and purposes.

[Outshined_One]

Chief?

 

:good:

[CubColtPacer]

So, does this basically signify the end of Tim Wilken's run here?

 

Maybe the end of Tim Wilken's free reign here.

 

CCP would say that epstein has a lot of respect for wilken's work.

 

i would say that mcleod is going to be doing that job, for all intents and purposes.

 

I'm ok with it if he does. But the early reports don't have McLeod becoming the scouting director for the Cubs. I'm sure he will have significant input into the draft either way, but it's left to be seen if he's replacing Wilken or not.

 

i said for all intents and purposes.

 

I sincerely doubt that Wilken is going to stay if he's not the one with the final say. And if he has the final say then McLeod isn't doing his job even for all intents and purposes. So IMO they're either going to have to let Wilken go or continue to let him be the main guy controlling the draft philosophy.

[A New Era]

I really like Tim Wilken. I remember when we got him I was really excited. Up until then we had MacPhail picking them and so to go from MacPhail to a guy who had a really good track record I felt the Cubs were finally heading in the right direction.

 

I really would like him to stay. But we are essentially getting 3 guys who in their own right could be very good GMs. Epstein, President of Baseball Ops, Hoyer GM, Mcleod assis GM are you freakin kidding me?

[jersey cubs fan]

I really like Tim Wilken. I remember when we got him I was really excited. Up until then we had MacPhail picking them and so to go from MacPhail to a guy who had a really good track record I felt the Cubs were finally heading in the right direction.

 

You lost me here.

[Magnetic Curses]

So, does this basically signify the end of Tim Wilken's run here?

 

Wilken isn't the assistant GM so I don't see why it would. I never disliked Wilken's picks, but they weren't overly amazing either. Solid, but not atrocious, but what kind of old school resources was he working with? Bring in these three and give him more information and resources to make better calculated picks, he might be an improved version of himself

 

i seriously seriously doubt wilken will be in charge of the draft, but you never know.

[Magnetic Curses]

I sincerely doubt that Wilken is going to stay if he's not the one with the final say. And if he has the final say then McLeod isn't doing his job even for all intents and purposes. So IMO they're either going to have to let Wilken go or continue to let him be the main guy controlling the draft philosophy.

 

so, in your estimation he's gone then.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

So, does this basically signify the end of Tim Wilken's run here?

 

Maybe the end of Tim Wilken's free reign here.

 

CCP would say that epstein has a lot of respect for wilken's work.

 

i would say that mcleod is going to be doing that job, for all intents and purposes.

 

I'm ok with it if he does. But the early reports don't have McLeod becoming the scouting director for the Cubs. I'm sure he will have significant input into the draft either way, but it's left to be seen if he's replacing Wilken or not.

 

They'll probably work together. I actually do believe that Epstein would have much respect for Wilken's work.

[Magnetic Curses]

So, does this basically signify the end of Tim Wilken's run here?

 

Maybe the end of Tim Wilken's free reign here.

 

CCP would say that epstein has a lot of respect for wilken's work.

 

i would say that mcleod is going to be doing that job, for all intents and purposes.

 

I'm ok with it if he does. But the early reports don't have McLeod becoming the scouting director for the Cubs. I'm sure he will have significant input into the draft either way, but it's left to be seen if he's replacing Wilken or not.

 

They'll probably work together. I actually do believe that Epstein would have much respect for Wilken's work.

 

wilken will work with them or wilken will be out the door. by the time they're done with him, he'll be doing body shots off of the waitresses at hi-tops at 3 am after a 20-hour work day.

[UK1679666180]

As critical as I was for not firing Hendry sooner, this has played out as well as it could. While I thought Friedman would be a better choice than Theo, this staff as a whole is better than Friedman.

 

Wilken will play a significant role this year, he knows the current scouts better than anyone just introduced and will assume more of an adviser role. Fwiw, the area scouts I have met throughout the years with the Red Sox are no more or less "scouty" than any of the Cubs' scouts or any of the other 28 teams. If you're expecting the actual area scouts to analyze guys in a different way you're mistaken, they might turn in more reports as far as medical (although, most teams are turning in more reports) but most of the basic scouting is the same. How they handle pro coverage is very much the same as well. I am unaware of their statistical library, but I assume it is much more advanced than anything the Cubs have ever seen.

 

I do think there will be less of drafting guys like Colvin and Simpson and I expect the entire developmental philosophy to change.

[Magnetic Curses]

As critical as I was for not firing Hendry sooner, this has played out as well as it could. While I thought Friedman would be a better choice than Theo, this staff as a whole is better than Friedman.

 

Wilken will play a significant role this year, he knows the current scouts better than anyone just introduced and will assume more of an adviser role. Fwiw, the area scouts I have met throughout the years with the Red Sox are no more or less "scouty" than any of the Cubs' scouts or any of the other 28 teams. If you're expecting the actual area scouts to analyze guys in a different way you're mistaken, they might turn in more reports as far as medical (although, most teams are turning in more reports) but most of the basic scouting is the same. How the handle pro coverage is very much the same as well. I am unaware of their statistical library, but I assume it is much more advanced than anything the Cubs have ever seen.

 

I do think there will be less of drafting guys like Colvin and Simpson and I expect the entire developmental philosophy to change.

 

i don't think anyone has said the methods by which the information is gathered regarding scouting will change, but the analysis of that information will most definitely change, along with the decisions based on said analysis.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

wilken will work with them or wilken will be out the door. by the time they're done with him, he'll be doing body shots off of the waitresses at hi-tops at 3 am after a 20-hour work day.

 

Yeah I'm sure he feels that pressure. It'll be so hard for him because of the overwhelming power of the numbers, which he deplores with the passion of a 1000 gods. It's understood. The old man better catch up or off with his head (amiritie?!?!)!

[Magnetic Curses]

settle down there spazmataz

[UK1679666180]

 

i don't think anyone has said the methods by which the information is gathered regarding scouting will change, but the analysis of that information will most definitely change, along with the decisions based on said analysis.

 

The analysis isn't going to change either, the accessibility of that data to each scout will change as Boston has a much more technologically superior database than the Cubs. If McLeod does handle some amateur scouting, then it will change as his opinion will at least (likely more) combat Wilken's opinion on possible amateurs. The only thing I can see improving is the Cubs use of video data and medical/psych testing which the Cubs have lacked.

 

You can't really analyze an OFP report any differently.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Really not sure what way to go here....

I could rename daughter #3 Jason McLeod or I could wait until a field manager is named and go with that....

 

Either way, I think unborn #4 will be Starlin. Just easier if its actually on the birth certificate.

 

Uh-oh. Larry Lucchino is now asking for option rights on your daughters. He's just starting high.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

settle down there spazmataz

 

I'm just being less passive aggressive in my opinion on Wilken. He don't think like us, and there won't be much room for that much longer. Make it known!

[minnesotacubsfan]

head (amiritie?!?!)!

 

 

godzillabum?

[mul21]

It's not just the analysis of information that will change, it's the type of info available that's going to make the biggest difference. The thing that stuck out to me in that SI article was the amount of time spent getting data entered into a database that allowed them to project a players potential development based on players with similar college numbers in similar programs. Obviously, a scouting report is a scouting report, but the supplemental info available to help make decisions will be so much more vast that it can only help in determining a guy's true potential.

 

Based on the additional info available and decisions made with the help it will provide, I can see Wilken getting frustrated that he might be getting trumped by numbers. Hopefully they can figure out a system that keeps everybody happy, because the more good people you have providing info, the more likely you arrive at a good decision.

[Elrhino]

I hope Wilken sticks around. He's a good scout and would be a valuable asset. The only problem I ever had with Wilken is he was given too much carte blanche in the organization to chase any player he wanted with whatever draft slot he wanted, with no counter voice.

[Magnetic Curses]

settle down there spazmataz

 

I'm just being less passive aggressive in my opinion on Wilken. He don't think like us, and there won't be much room for that much longer. Make it known!

 

lol, this guy's going all peter gammons

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

It's not just the analysis of information that will change, it's the type of info available that's going to make the biggest difference. The thing that stuck out to me in that SI article was the amount of time spent getting data entered into a database that allowed them to project a players potential development based on players with similar college numbers in similar programs. Obviously, a scouting report is a scouting report, but the supplemental info available to help make decisions will be so much more vast that it can only help in determining a guy's true potential.

 

Based on the additional info available and decisions made with the help it will provide, I can see Wilken getting frustrated that he might be getting trumped by numbers. Hopefully they can figure out a system that keeps everybody happy, because the more good people you have providing info, the more likely you arrive at a good decision.

 

I think the only major difference is that the Cubs will have their own, more streamlined, databases. I'm sure they've been building their own since Kaplan was added, but huge gains can still be made in that area. The whole point of the database has existed for a long time (are there certain schools/places that produce better players? Teams love Florida, Texas, and Cali for a reason...), but actually building one is a whole different thing altogether.

 

I think everyone will work just fine together. The numbers vs. scouts thing is something the fans play with, but I don't think it's anywhere near as serious inside the game. Both sides probably know by now that they should be compliments rather than opposites.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

lol, this guy's going all peter gammons

 

LOL! Whatever that means right!?!?

[mul21]

I'm not concerned about them being able to work together. I just think Wilken might not like having the carte blanche that he has for the last however many years. Theo and Hoyer are occasionally going to tell him, no, we don't like that guy here, pick your second choice, and I'm concerned about how long he'll be willing to deal with that part of it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

lol, this guy's going all peter gammons

 

LOL! Whatever that means right!?!?

 

 

wtf is wrong with you?