Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[UMFan83]

For who though?

[El Duderino]

For who though?

 

orioles. they probably need one the most.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Yeah, he's probably a spy

 

Yep, cuz if anyone needs to be spied on, it's the Cubs

[El Duderino]

he says lots of people are skeptical and that he himself is skeptical, but carlos will get a chance.

 

yay theo, lie to kaplan's face

[imb]

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[Little Slide Rooter]

Rex is our quarterback.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, people were pissed because Hendry ran down Kevin Orie.

 

Yeah, if Jim Hendry was known for anything it was how he shredded the reps of the Cliff Floyds and Jake Foxes of the world.

 

Oh, right; davearm2 is no doubt talking about Zambrano. Yup, that sure was a "constant criticism" about Hendry across the board.

Oh my lord. You don't recall the mountain of crap Hendry took over the Sosa situation? The Milton Bradley situation?

 

People constantly complained about how Hendry killed guys' trade value by airing the dirty laundry, and making clear that he had to trade the player.

 

Please tell me you haven't completely lost your mind, and want to challenge me on this.

 

Yup, people "constantly complained" about Hendry killing players' value with the three guys he did it to during his nine years as GM. Man, three whole guys in a nearly a decade. The constant complaints were nearly deafening.

 

Oh, right; plus he did actually help [expletive] up moving those guys when they arguably still had value. This little tangent is stemming from you inexplicably referring to these instances in a discussion about LaHair. Think about that for a second. Who gives a [expletive] about what anyone says about LaHair? He essentially has zero value with or without anyone throwing him under the bus. Hendry and the Cubs got [expletive] for how they handled those three guys because they helped turn bad situations even worse by willfully throwing them to the wolves. Obviously I don't want or expect Theo or anyone else to inexplicably badmouth LaHair, but it's a ludicrous comparison in the first place since LaHair is practically worthless.

 

And if he inexplicably is made and remains a starter I think he'd probably end up with an OPS in the .700-.725 range.

[wvcbxl]

"carlos zambrano from 2011 and years previous can't fit into the culture here." says either carlos will change or will be gone. he says lots of people are skeptical and that he himself is skeptical, but carlos will get a chance.

 

At the time of that interview, Theo knew that Zambrano was on his way to the Marlins.

He really is playing his cards close to his chest. 8-)

[Little Slide Rooter]

Theo traded Zambrano. Theo traded Marshall. Why isn't Theo going after Fielder? Does Theo really think LaHair is our 1st baseman? Theo dangling Garza. Theo signed Johnson, Corpas, Sonnenstine.

 

Honest question: isn't the GM supposed to have as much of a hand if not more so than the President of Baseball Operations in these types of matters? How many of these transaction were in fact Theo? Hoyer is also a high profile guy, ad lets be honest here, every move they've done so far is a lot more Padres than Red Sox.

[Elrhino]

Theo and Hoyer are likely making decisions as a collective braintrust. It just hurts people's feelings that a "smart guy" didn't share their outlook on how to conduct the offseason.

[Backtobanks]

Theo traded Zambrano. Theo traded Marshall. Why isn't Theo going after Fielder? Does Theo really think LaHair is our 1st baseman? Theo dangling Garza. Theo signed Johnson, Corpas, Sonnenstine.

 

Honest question: isn't the GM supposed to have as much of a hand if not more so than the President of Baseball Operations in these types of matters? How many of these transaction were in fact Theo? Hoyer is also a high profile guy, ad lets be honest here, every move they've done so far is a lot more Padres than Red Sox.

 

When Ricketts hired Theo, he said Theo would be totally in charge of all baseball decisions. That means the buck stops on Theo's desk.

[Guest]

Theo and Hoyer are likely making decisions as a collective braintrust. It just hurts people's feelings that a "smart guy" didn't share their outlook on how to conduct the offseason.

 

Yep.

[Guest]

Oh, and Hoyer is a high profile guy? Wat?

 

WSR, would you have considered Jed Hoyer a high profile hire if he were the only/main guy we had hired?

 

Because I wouldn't consider him high profile at all. Just a guy with a good pedigree who was being given a shot in SD and doing a nice job at turning a farm system around.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Oh, and Hoyer is a high profile guy? Wat?

 

WSR, would you have considered Jed Hoyer a high profile hire if he were the only/main guy we had hired?

 

Because I wouldn't consider him high profile at all. Just a guy with a good pedigree who was being given a shot in SD and doing a nice job at turning a farm system around.

 

I would have considered it a very good hire, surely over most of the other options that had been tossed around. Remember, Hoyer is a diciple of Epstein and another highly regarded young executive. He had no payroll to work with in San Diego, and while we may look like the A's now, the money is there and even if it was just Jed making the decisions with nobody to answer to but Ricketts I'd be comfortable with that.

[Guest]

Oh, and Hoyer is a high profile guy? Wat?

 

WSR, would you have considered Jed Hoyer a high profile hire if he were the only/main guy we had hired?

 

Because I wouldn't consider him high profile at all. Just a guy with a good pedigree who was being given a shot in SD and doing a nice job at turning a farm system around.

 

I would have considered it a very good hire, surely over most of the other options that had been tossed around. Remember, Hoyer is a diciple of Epstein and another highly regarded young executive. He had no payroll to work with in San Diego, and while we may look like the A's now, the money is there and even if it was just Jed making the decisions with nobody to answer to but Ricketts I'd be comfortable with that.

 

Very good hire and high profile hire = not the same thing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Theo traded Zambrano. Theo traded Marshall. Why isn't Theo going after Fielder? Does Theo really think LaHair is our 1st baseman? Theo dangling Garza. Theo signed Johnson, Corpas, Sonnenstine.

 

Honest question: isn't the GM supposed to have as much of a hand if not more so than the President of Baseball Operations in these types of matters? How many of these transaction were in fact Theo? Hoyer is also a high profile guy, ad lets be honest here, every move they've done so far is a lot more Padres than Red Sox.

 

When Ricketts hired Theo, he said Theo would be totally in charge of all baseball decisions. That means the buck stops on Theo's desk.

 

I don't remember those words, I remember more that the GM only had to answer to Ricketts himself. Obviously with Epstein as the President of Baseball Ops, that's not exactly true, but I have to assume that Hoyer is somewhat involved. Maybe 1 guys making the deals or picking out the players and the others handling the paper work but none the less, whenever a deals made or not made, it all seems to come down to Theo, at least in the publics perception.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Oh, and Hoyer is a high profile guy? Wat?

 

WSR, would you have considered Jed Hoyer a high profile hire if he were the only/main guy we had hired?

 

Because I wouldn't consider him high profile at all. Just a guy with a good pedigree who was being given a shot in SD and doing a nice job at turning a farm system around.

 

I would have considered it a very good hire, surely over most of the other options that had been tossed around. Remember, Hoyer is a diciple of Epstein and another highly regarded young executive. He had no payroll to work with in San Diego, and while we may look like the A's now, the money is there and even if it was just Jed making the decisions with nobody to answer to but Ricketts I'd be comfortable with that.

 

Very good hire and high profile hire = not the same thing.

 

Come on David, you know what I mean. When it comes to GMs and executives, how many guys are even considered "high profile"? Epstein, Cashman, Beane? Usually, the high profile tag only comes with results, which all 3 of these guys have achieved. I guess I should have said highly regarded.

[Backtobanks]

Hoyer can't be high profile when you have Theo looking over your shoulder.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It seem to me that what they're doing now is the opposite of what Theo did in Boston, and that's not at all a bad thing in the long run. Back then, he had a ready made core with Manny, Damon, Veritek, Nomar, Pedro, and young Trot Nixon.He then hit a home run on Ortiz, who wasn't as much of a long shot as some think at 1.25 mil, coming off a solid .272/.339/.500 20 HR season in a difficult hitters park. He then plugged his holes with guys like Mueller, Millar, Belhorn, and Lowe before he started going after bigger fish like Schilling, Beckett, and Drew.

 

Here, he doesn't have that core. The only guys who are close to sure things for 2013-2014 are Castro, Jackson, Cashner, Soto or Castillo, and a handfull of relievers. There are a lot of holes there, which he's trying to plug up with young guys like Stewart, Volstad, T. Wood, and Sonnenstine with more likely to follow between now and this time next year. If Brian LaHair does open the season at 1st base, I don't love it, but of Fielder isn't an option, it's not horrible. Give the guy his shot and if he's not thriving by the summer, then start looking into guys like Anderson, Rizzo, Barton, etc. who will likely still be available for about the same price they are now.

 

Anyway, SS(Castro), CF(Jackson), C(Soto/Castillo), most of the pen, and maybe 1 rotation spot(Cashner if he goes back to starting) are set for the future. Depending on who pans out of what we have, we can add 3B(Stewart or Vitters), 2B(Barney, Bianchi, DeWitt-yes, DeWitt), another rotation spot or 2 between (Wood, Volstad, Sonnenstine, McNutt, Whitenack, Struck). Maybe 1st if one of the guys mentioned above or dare I say LaHair work out. We could still use a corner outfielder or 2, and I'd love for Cespedes to be one. Depending who pans out of the many young question marks, that's when they'll have a better idea what long term holes need filling and that's when they'll likely spend the big money on.

 

Personally, I still like Fielder for 1st base, and I do think that we're waiting to see what other teams are bidding before deciding to get in on him, but he's an elite bat which isn't easy to come by and it's not very likely that we produce one ourselves in the next few years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hoyer can't be high profile when you have Theo looking over your shoulder.

 

I think that they've worked together long enough and have enough mutual respect that that isn't an issue.

[Elrhino]

I could see Hoyer getting free reign on smaller things like Rule V draft, just as a division of labor thing to divide up the day to day work responsibility of running an MLB front office.

 

But there is absolutely no way Theo wasn't heavily involved in a deal that includes the Cubs eating $15 million of remaining salary on Z's contract.

[Backtobanks]

It seem to me that what they're doing now is the opposite of what Theo did in Boston, and that's not at all a bad thing in the long run. Back then, he had a ready made core with Manny, Damon, Veritek, Nomar, Pedro, and young Trot Nixon.He then hit a home run on Ortiz, who wasn't as much of a long shot as some think at 1.25 mil, coming off a solid .272/.339/.500 20 HR season in a difficult hitters park. He then plugged his holes with guys like Mueller, Millar, Belhorn, and Lowe before he started going after bigger fish like Schilling, Beckett, and Drew.

 

Here, he doesn't have that core. The only guys who are close to sure things for 2013-2014 are Castro, Jackson, Cashner, Soto or Castillo, and a handfull of relievers. There are a lot of holes there, which he's trying to plug up with young guys like Stewart, Volstad, T. Wood, and Sonnenstine with more likely to follow between now and this time next year. If Brian LaHair does open the season at 1st base, I don't love it, but of Fielder isn't an option, it's not horrible. Give the guy his shot and if he's not thriving by the summer, then start looking into guys like Anderson, Rizzo, Barton, etc. who will likely still be available for about the same price they are now.

 

Anyway, SS(Castro), CF(Jackson), C(Soto/Castillo), most of the pen, and maybe 1 rotation spot(Cashner if he goes back to starting) are set for the future. Depending on who pans out of what we have, we can add 3B(Stewart or Vitters), 2B(Barney, Bianchi, DeWitt-yes, DeWitt), another rotation spot or 2 between (Wood, Volstad, Sonnenstine, McNutt, Whitenack, Struck). Maybe 1st if one of the guys mentioned above or dare I say LaHair work out. We could still use a corner outfielder or 2, and I'd love for Cespedes to be one. Depending who pans out of the many young question marks, that's when they'll have a better idea what long term holes need filling and that's when they'll likely spend the big money on.

 

Personally, I still like Fielder for 1st base, and I do think that we're waiting to see what other teams are bidding before deciding to get in on him, but he's an elite bat which isn't easy to come by and it's not very likely that we produce one ourselves in the next few years.

 

Sure things - Jackson, Cashner, Soto/Castillo?

[Little Slide Rooter]

It seem to me that what they're doing now is the opposite of what Theo did in Boston, and that's not at all a bad thing in the long run. Back then, he had a ready made core with Manny, Damon, Veritek, Nomar, Pedro, and young Trot Nixon.He then hit a home run on Ortiz, who wasn't as much of a long shot as some think at 1.25 mil, coming off a solid .272/.339/.500 20 HR season in a difficult hitters park. He then plugged his holes with guys like Mueller, Millar, Belhorn, and Lowe before he started going after bigger fish like Schilling, Beckett, and Drew.

 

Here, he doesn't have that core. The only guys who are close to sure things for 2013-2014 are Castro, Jackson, Cashner, Soto or Castillo, and a handfull of relievers. There are a lot of holes there, which he's trying to plug up with young guys like Stewart, Volstad, T. Wood, and Sonnenstine with more likely to follow between now and this time next year. If Brian LaHair does open the season at 1st base, I don't love it, but of Fielder isn't an option, it's not horrible. Give the guy his shot and if he's not thriving by the summer, then start looking into guys like Anderson, Rizzo, Barton, etc. who will likely still be available for about the same price they are now.

 

Anyway, SS(Castro), CF(Jackson), C(Soto/Castillo), most of the pen, and maybe 1 rotation spot(Cashner if he goes back to starting) are set for the future. Depending on who pans out of what we have, we can add 3B(Stewart or Vitters), 2B(Barney, Bianchi, DeWitt-yes, DeWitt), another rotation spot or 2 between (Wood, Volstad, Sonnenstine, McNutt, Whitenack, Struck). Maybe 1st if one of the guys mentioned above or dare I say LaHair work out. We could still use a corner outfielder or 2, and I'd love for Cespedes to be one. Depending who pans out of the many young question marks, that's when they'll have a better idea what long term holes need filling and that's when they'll likely spend the big money on.

 

Personally, I still like Fielder for 1st base, and I do think that we're waiting to see what other teams are bidding before deciding to get in on him, but he's an elite bat which isn't easy to come by and it's not very likely that we produce one ourselves in the next few years.

 

Sure things - Jackson, Cashner, Soto/Castillo?

 

There are 2 little words before sure.

[davearm2]

Theo and Hoyer are likely making decisions as a collective braintrust. It just hurts people's feelings that a "smart guy" didn't share their outlook on how to conduct the offseason.

I don't sense that people have their feelings hurt so much that they're absolutely dead set that their viewpoint is right, and every other viewpoint is wrong.

[SouthSideRyan]

Theo and Hoyer are likely making decisions as a collective braintrust. It just hurts people's feelings that a "smart guy" didn't share their outlook on how to conduct the offseason.

I don't sense that people have their feelings hurt so much that they're absolutely dead set that their viewpoint is right, and every other viewpoint is wrong.

 

 

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