Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[MSG T]

Someone not as well-suited to the job as Epstein.

 

The analysis is, what's more valuable to the organization: the marginal difference between Epstein and the next-best candidate, or the prospect(s) the Red Sox want.

 

The next-best candidate+prospects, AINEC.

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't want Epstein at all.

 

You should want Ricketts to hire the cheapest GM available, and pump the savings into the draft to get more prospects.

 

 

Wait, two weeks ago, prior to him actually being granted permission to speak with the Cubs, Theo was merely 1 of 6-8 really good choices, and not even the top choice of many on here, but now he's the only possible choice? Or at least the far most qualified choice? I'd be perfectly happy with someone like Byrnes, Hahn, Beane or someone else that wouldn't cost someone like McNutt. Want to explain how one of those guys, or someone else similar, wouldn't make an extremely good GM for the Cubs if they indeed move on.

[Guest]

I've never gotten into hating the Red Sox like a lot of people do, but I think I'm getting there. Once you let him interview and accept an offer, and you know you have to pay him 6.5 million if he stays, he is not a pristine asset. He's a time bomb and you have to get rid of him.

[El Duderino]

i'm beginning to hate this thread

[Hollandsworths mug]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Carlos Marmol is a bust?

 

He and Marshall are the only ones who have done anything. And Marmol is not exactly setting the world on fire anymore.

 

Maybe you can help me with my dilemma. I'm hungry but the store wants to charge me $100 for a loaf of bread. Obviousy not starving to death is worth $100, so I should do it, right?

 

Of course.

 

says the man with the $6k television set

 

 

<<< slightly jealous

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

 

Okay, what do you believe the value of a well-regarded AA prospect to be?

[ctcf]

So wait... what are the most likely dates that 7 day clock started running?

[Hollandsworths mug]

Someone not as well-suited to the job as Epstein.

 

The analysis is, what's more valuable to the organization: the marginal difference between Epstein and the next-best candidate, or the prospect(s) the Red Sox want.

 

The next-best candidate+prospects, AINEC.

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't want Epstein at all.

 

You should want Ricketts to hire the cheapest GM available, and pump the savings into the draft to get more prospects.

 

 

Wait, two weeks ago, prior to him actually being granted permission to speak with the Cubs, Theo was merely 1 of 6-8 really good choices, and not even the top choice of many on here, but now he's the only possible choice? Or at least the far most qualified choice? I'd be perfectly happy with someone like Byrnes, Hahn, Beane or someone else that wouldn't cost someone like McNutt. Want to explain how one of those guys, or someone else similar, wouldn't make an extremely good GM for the Cubs if they indeed move on.

 

Honest question. What has McNutt done?

[Hollandsworths mug]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

 

Okay, what do you believe the value of a well-regarded AA prospect to be?

 

Depends on the situation. What did you believe Corey Patterson's value was?

[Elrhino]

Basically, the only "leverage" the Red Sox have over the Cubs is they hold Theo's rights for the next 12 months.

 

If Theo is going to be the President and bring over a Byrnes to be the GM, just announce Byrnes as the GM and save the President spot for Theo for next year. Nothing prevents Byrnes from bringing all of the Red Sox front office members he wants to, and they can all be entrenched and waiting for Theo when he gets here. I have a hard time believing Byrnes organizational philosophy and gameplan differs so much from Theo's that he's someone going to screw it all up in 12 months.

Edited October 17, 2011 by Elrhino

[MSG T]

Someone not as well-suited to the job as Epstein.

 

The analysis is, what's more valuable to the organization: the marginal difference between Epstein and the next-best candidate, or the prospect(s) the Red Sox want.

 

The next-best candidate+prospects, AINEC.

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't want Epstein at all.

 

You should want Ricketts to hire the cheapest GM available, and pump the savings into the draft to get more prospects.

 

 

Wait, two weeks ago, prior to him actually being granted permission to speak with the Cubs, Theo was merely 1 of 6-8 really good choices, and not even the top choice of many on here, but now he's the only possible choice? Or at least the far most qualified choice? I'd be perfectly happy with someone like Byrnes, Hahn, Beane or someone else that wouldn't cost someone like McNutt. Want to explain how one of those guys, or someone else similar, wouldn't make an extremely good GM for the Cubs if they indeed move on.

 

Honest question. What has McNutt done?

 

Honest question. Why are you so willing to give up a guy that projects as a middle of the rotation pitcher for a GM when you can go find another, basically equal, GM candidate that won't cost you said pitcher?

[Guest]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

 

Okay, what do you believe the value of a well-regarded AA prospect to be?

 

Depends on the situation. What did you believe Corey Patterson's value was?

 

 

Extremely high when he was still a minor leaguer. I would've been pissed had we traded him for a GM.

[davearm2]

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't want Epstein at all.

 

You should want Ricketts to hire the cheapest GM available, and pump the savings into the draft to get more prospects.

 

What do you believe to be the monetary value of a well-regarded AA prospect?

You mean if the Cubs put McNutt on eBay, what would other MLB teams bid?

 

Something on par with what gets spent on high draft picks and top international guys, I suppose.

 

$1M? $2M?

 

What's the correct answer?

[Guest]

Honest question. What has McNutt done?

 

I know you're finding this extraordinarily difficult, but McNutt is not, nor has he ever been, the point. The point is that if Boston is demanding actual value like Garza/McNutt when they've already agreed to let him interview for a job where he gets more money and a promotion, and they'd have to pay huge money to keep a pissed off Theo for one year if it didn't go through, and they've already leaked that they've promoted a new GM, then they are out of their minds.

[SouthSideRyan]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

 

Luckily you're not Tom Ricketts, and he'll give the Red Sox Garza. Can't believe you'd rather hold on to a single player rather than get a competent GM in here.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

 

Okay, what do you believe the value of a well-regarded AA prospect to be?

 

Depends on the situation. What did you believe Corey Patterson's value was?

 

Low 8 figures.

 

For 2003 and 2004, the Cubs got an above-average MLB CFer for a combined salary of less than $1 million. Such a player on the open market would have cost them well more than 10 times that.

[Guest]

If you want to get super literal about it, McNutt's surplus value is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 10-15 million dollars. I don't particularly like those evaluations, because then no prospect should ever be traded ever, but someone asked.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you want to get super literal about it, McNutt's surplus value is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 10-15 million dollars. I don't particularly like those evaluations, because then no prospect should ever be traded ever, but someone asked.

 

LOL Felix Pie, ever heard of him?

[C.C.]

Someone not as well-suited to the job as Epstein.

 

The analysis is, what's more valuable to the organization: the marginal difference between Epstein and the next-best candidate, or the prospect(s) the Red Sox want.

 

The next-best candidate+prospects, AINEC.

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't want Epstein at all.

 

You should want Ricketts to hire the cheapest GM available, and pump the savings into the draft to get more prospects.

 

 

Wait, two weeks ago, prior to him actually being granted permission to speak with the Cubs, Theo was merely 1 of 6-8 really good choices, and not even the top choice of many on here, but now he's the only possible choice? Or at least the far most qualified choice? I'd be perfectly happy with someone like Byrnes, Hahn, Beane or someone else that wouldn't cost someone like McNutt. Want to explain how one of those guys, or someone else similar, wouldn't make an extremely good GM for the Cubs if they indeed move on.

 

Why is Hahn considered a good choice? I don't get the hard-on for him. What has he done with the Sox to warrant this praise?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You mean if the Cubs put McNutt on eBay, what would other MLB teams bid?

 

Something on par with what gets spent on high draft picks and top international guys, I suppose.

 

$1M? $2M?

 

What's the correct answer?

 

A lot higher.

 

McNutt is older than your basic draft pick, has had more success closer to the big leagues, and the signing of draft picks is artificially lowered by their inability to negotiate with multiple teams.

[ScrubMD]

And none of us know if McNutt is indeed the piece the Red Sox want. The story about them wanting Garza (a guy who has been a stud) is where you draw the line. But for McNutt, GMAB.

 

Luckily you're not Tom Ricketts, and he'll give the Red Sox Garza. Can't believe you'd rather hold on to a single player rather than get a competent GM in here.

 

A .500 pitcher, no less! Get it done!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If you want to get super literal about it, McNutt's surplus value is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 10-15 million dollars. I don't particularly like those evaluations, because then no prospect should ever be traded ever, but someone asked.

 

That's about where I'm coming in at, too.

 

You still are willing to trade prospects, sometimes, because what ultimately matters is not dollars, but wins, and not all wins are created equal. When you are close to a playoff spot, it becomes worthwhile to blow a ton of marginal value (dollars, prospects, whatever) to get a few more marginal wins.

 

But mostly, yes, near-MLB prospects are an extremely valuable asset.

[davearm2]

If you want to get super literal about it, McNutt's surplus value is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 10-15 million dollars. I don't particularly like those evaluations, because then no prospect should ever be traded ever, but someone asked.

JMHO of course, but your discount rate needs to be significantly higher.

[MSG T]

Someone not as well-suited to the job as Epstein.

 

The analysis is, what's more valuable to the organization: the marginal difference between Epstein and the next-best candidate, or the prospect(s) the Red Sox want.

 

The next-best candidate+prospects, AINEC.

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't want Epstein at all.

 

You should want Ricketts to hire the cheapest GM available, and pump the savings into the draft to get more prospects.

 

 

Wait, two weeks ago, prior to him actually being granted permission to speak with the Cubs, Theo was merely 1 of 6-8 really good choices, and not even the top choice of many on here, but now he's the only possible choice? Or at least the far most qualified choice? I'd be perfectly happy with someone like Byrnes, Hahn, Beane or someone else that wouldn't cost someone like McNutt. Want to explain how one of those guys, or someone else similar, wouldn't make an extremely good GM for the Cubs if they indeed move on.

 

Why is Hahn considered a good choice? I don't get the hard-on for him. What has he done with the Sox to warrant this praise?

 

The point is that 2-3 weeks ago, Epstein was merely one of a bunch of good choices, now all of a sudden he's the only possible savior to the franchise? I merely threw Hahn's name in because he was also one of the many that was mentioned at that time. I would be thrilled if they can work something out that brings Theo to the Cubs. But guess what, he's not the only good candidate out there. It could be argued, and was in the previous month, whether he is even the best possible choice.

[UMFan83]

Theo Epstein = Archer, Guyer, Fuld, Lee and Chirinos - 1 arb year of Matt Garza