Cubs team sources: Likely Sandberg reconciliation

[Hollandsworths mug]

At least work as a bench coach or hitting instructor or something first. I'd still want him to spend a few more years managing in the minors before that.

 

Just for reference, Joe Torre had zero years managing a minor league team.

[Guest]

Joe Torre is another guy I wouldn't want.

[Sammy Sofa]

At least work as a bench coach or hitting instructor or something first. I'd still want him to spend a few more years managing in the minors before that.

 

Just for reference, Joe Torre had zero years managing a minor league team.

 

That's terrific. He was a catcher and this isn't 1977 and didn't have Sandberg's track record of asinine beliefs in smallball and "playing the game the right way" in 2011.

Edited September 27, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[treebird]

i really don't care that much about experience, i'd mostly like to hire someone who we don't think is stupid at baseball and a whiny jerk. sandberg fails on both counts. i hope he steps on a land mine.

[UK1679666180]

Its pretty telling that Friedman picked Martinez for BC and has learned the use of stats within a game from Maddon and everything I've heard is liked by rookies and veterans. Like Maddon, I'm sure there will be times when you want to throw the remote thru the tv.

[Hollandsworths mug]

At least work as a bench coach or hitting instructor or something first. I'd still want him to spend a few more years managing in the minors before that.

 

Just for reference, Joe Torre had zero years managing a minor league team.

 

That's terrific. He was a catcher and this isn't 1977 and didn't have Sandberg's track record of asinine beliefs in smallball and "playing the game the right way."

 

Yes, because playing the game the right way has no business in baseball. I like the teams that throw to the wrong base, etc. Oh, and what does Torre being a catcher have to do with it?

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm liking this land mine thing.

[Guest]

At least work as a bench coach or hitting instructor or something first. I'd still want him to spend a few more years managing in the minors before that.

 

Just for reference, Joe Torre had zero years managing a minor league team.

 

That's terrific. He was a catcher and this isn't 1977 and didn't have Sandberg's track record of asinine beliefs in smallball and "playing the game the right way."

 

Yes, because playing the game the right way has no business in baseball. I like the teams that throw to the wrong base, etc. Oh, and what does Torre being a catcher have to do with it?

He meant the white way.

[Hollandsworths mug]

And years of managing in the minors really helped out Joe Girardi. Oh, wait, he didn't manage in the minors, either.

[Guest]

And years of managing in the minors really helped out Joe Girardi. Oh, wait, he didn't manage in the minors, either.

 

 

You just mentioned Joe Girardi and Joe Torre. Aside from first names, what do they have in common?

[Hollandsworths mug]

And years of managing in the minors really helped out Joe Girardi. Oh, wait, he didn't manage in the minors, either.

 

 

You just mentioned Joe Girardi and Joe Torre. Aside from first names, what do they have in common?

 

They were catchers, so what?

[Guest]

And years of managing in the minors really helped out Joe Girardi. Oh, wait, he didn't manage in the minors, either.

 

 

You just mentioned Joe Girardi and Joe Torre. Aside from first names, what do they have in common?

 

They were catchers, so what?

 

 

No. Not that.

 

What do their successful years have in common?

[Hollandsworths mug]

And years of managing in the minors really helped out Joe Girardi. Oh, wait, he didn't manage in the minors, either.

 

 

You just mentioned Joe Girardi and Joe Torre. Aside from first names, what do they have in common?

 

They were catchers, so what?

 

 

No. Not that.

 

What do their successful years have in common?

 

Go on, tell me.

[CP_414]

And years of managing in the minors really helped out Joe Girardi. Oh, wait, he didn't manage in the minors, either.

 

 

You just mentioned Joe Girardi and Joe Torre. Aside from first names, what do they have in common?

 

They were catchers, so what?

 

 

No. Not that.

 

What do their successful years have in common?

 

Go on, tell me.

 

Really?

[Sammy Sofa]

Personally, I think the being catchers part is pretty key. That's about the only type of former player I'd feel comfortable giving the keys to as manager with little or no minor league coaching/managing experience, and even then it feels like a stretch. Hell, I'm not even hung up on Sandberg getting more time in the minors; my key is I'd want him to get experience coaching in the majors before being given the job.

[Guest]

 

They were catchers, so what?

 

 

No. Not that.

 

What do their successful years have in common?

 

Go on, tell me.

 

Starts with Y, ends with ANKEES.

[Guest]

Personally, I think the being catchers part is pretty key. That's about the only type of former player I'd feel comfortable giving the keys to as manager with little or no minor league coaching/managing experience, and even then it feels like a stretch. Hell, I'm not even hung up on Sandberg getting more time in the minors; my key is I'd want him to get experience coaching in the majors before being given the job.

 

 

I honestly wouldn't even care if they had played the game before. Obviously, that doesn't happen and wouldn't fly with the players. I just want it to be a smart human being as opposed to some dumb former athlete who gets the job because he was a great player. Unfortunately, we're limited to guys who have played the game and happen to be smart human beings.

Edited September 27, 2011 by David

[Hollandsworths mug]

 

They were catchers, so what?

 

 

No. Not that.

 

What do their successful years have in common?

 

Go on, tell me.

 

Starts with Y, ends with ANKEES.

 

That seemed too obvious. But really what you're saying is that a manager does not make a difference. If that's the case, why not Sandberg?

[Guest]

 

That seemed too obvious. But really what you're saying is that a manager does not make a difference. If that's the case, why not Sandberg?

 

I'm saying that those teams were so good that even bad managers couldn't have screwed them up. That doesn't mean we should just give up on finding someone good.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think managers do make a difference. That said, I think they have little impact making wins happen outside of managing the pitching (if the talent is there it's there), but I do think they can make a team lose too many games with over-managing. Sandberg sounds way too hands on in that regard.

[bcl412]

I think managers do make a difference. That said, I think they have little impact making wins happen outside of managing the pitching (if the talent is there it's there), but I do think they can make a team lose too many games with over-managing. Sandberg sounds way too hands on in that regard.

 

How many losses is too many (obviously you don't want any)? I have a hard time imagining over managing costing a team too many wins either. I would imagine that a bad manager probably messes up 2-3 situations a game (I made this up off the top of my head, no idea if it's even correct or not) and even when they mess up it doesn't always hurt him. I can't imagine those would cost a team games that often.

 

Too me, I just want a manager who is playing the best players as much as possible (factoring in rest and what not) and managing a pitching staff the best he can. And then not having him screw up with player relations to the point that a good player demands a trade and won't play and what not. Even then though, the best players thing is controlled more by GM than on field manager.

[UK1679666180]

Its like any other spot on the roster, if they brought in Maddon, given his ability to handle a staff, situational matchup, and lack of veteran bias would likely bring more wins than a poor manager like Quade. But since it has no direct change in the outcome of a game and there isn't much of a difference between most managers in W-L, it gets overlooked.

 

Catchers don't matter to me.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think managers do make a difference. That said, I think they have little impact making wins happen outside of managing the pitching (if the talent is there it's there), but I do think they can make a team lose too many games with over-managing. Sandberg sounds way too hands on in that regard.

 

How many losses is too many (obviously you don't want any)? I have a hard time imagining over managing costing a team too many wins either. I would imagine that a bad manager probably messes up 2-3 situations a game (I made this up off the top of my head, no idea if it's even correct or not) and even when they mess up it doesn't always hurt him. I can't imagine those would cost a team games that often.

 

Too me, I just want a manager who is playing the best players as much as possible (factoring in rest and what not) and managing a pitching staff the best he can. And then not having him screw up with player relations to the point that a good player demands a trade and won't play and what not. Even then though, the best players thing is controlled more by GM than on field manager.

 

Oh, I'm not talking about a manager tanking a season. In all I think it's largely a relatively ineffectual position either way, it just leans more towards the bad than good as to what they can readily impact.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Its pretty telling that Friedman picked Martinez for BC and has learned the use of stats within a game from Maddon and everything I've heard is liked by rookies and veterans. Like Maddon, I'm sure there will be times when you want to throw the remote thru the tv.

 

Martinez is an interesting name to throw out simply because he was picked to be the BC for one of the most progressive franchises and managers in baseball. Like JCF said before I have no idea what kind of coach he is, but I know he already annoys me less than Sandberg.

[jersey cubs fan]

Torre and Girardi have both managed with the Yankees, and since Dusty Baker told us the Yankees do not draw many walks I don't want either guy managing the Cubs.