Gary Hughes Not Returning Next Year

[UK1679666180]

I'm back in.

 

Holy semantical gymnastics! His answer is right there, in black and white. But yes, when you completely divorce his answer from the context and make a ton of assumptions independent of the text, yes, he COULD mean something else by it. You're normally literal to a fault. Now you're reaching God knows where and completely ignoring the textual evidence in front of you because YOU believe that a scout should know these things. Well you know what? I believe our development team should use a computer to compile stats on our minor leaguers rather than a pencil and paper. This organization isn't chock full of people who know what we think they should know or do what we think they should do.

 

The organization in general, and Hughes in particular, has given us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. The text gives us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. Good gracious.

 

If that's the case as far the developmental staff only using stats, Marmol and Wells wouldve been released as no hit catchers and Lake would not have made it past Peoria.

[Guest]

I'm back in.

 

Holy semantical gymnastics! His answer is right there, in black and white. But yes, when you completely divorce his answer from the context and make a ton of assumptions independent of the text, yes, he COULD mean something else by it. You're normally literal to a fault. Now you're reaching God knows where and completely ignoring the textual evidence in front of you because YOU believe that a scout should know these things. Well you know what? I believe our development team should use a computer to compile stats on our minor leaguers rather than a pencil and paper. This organization isn't chock full of people who know what we think they should know or do what we think they should do.

 

The organization in general, and Hughes in particular, has given us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. The text gives us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. Good gracious.

 

If that's the case as far the developmental staff only using stats, Marmol and Wells wouldve been released as no hit catchers and Lake would not have made it past Peoria.

 

That is not even close to what he said, you should know that.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm back in.

 

Holy semantical gymnastics! His answer is right there, in black and white. But yes, when you completely divorce his answer from the context and make a ton of assumptions independent of the text, yes, he COULD mean something else by it. You're normally literal to a fault. Now you're reaching God knows where and completely ignoring the textual evidence in front of you because YOU believe that a scout should know these things. Well you know what? I believe our development team should use a computer to compile stats on our minor leaguers rather than a pencil and paper. This organization isn't chock full of people who know what we think they should know or do what we think they should do.

 

The organization in general, and Hughes in particular, has given us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. The text gives us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. Good gracious.

 

If that's the case as far the developmental staff only using stats, Marmol and Wells wouldve been released as no hit catchers and Lake would not have made it past Peoria.

 

This is getting sad.

[javy knows my name]

I'm back in.

 

Holy semantical gymnastics! His answer is right there, in black and white. But yes, when you completely divorce his answer from the context and make a ton of assumptions independent of the text, yes, he COULD mean something else by it. You're normally literal to a fault. Now you're reaching God knows where and completely ignoring the textual evidence in front of you because YOU believe that a scout should know these things. Well you know what? I believe our development team should use a computer to compile stats on our minor leaguers rather than a pencil and paper. This organization isn't chock full of people who know what we think they should know or do what we think they should do.

 

The organization in general, and Hughes in particular, has given us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. The text gives us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. Good gracious.

 

If that's the case as far the developmental staff only using stats, Marmol and Wells wouldve been released as no hit catchers and Lake would not have made it past Peoria.

 

This is why Ping doesn't count.

[Magnetic Curses]

it's my impression that the "stats guys" are more willing to work and employ old school scouts than the opposite.

 

i don't think the new school has really been dismissive of people that watch baseball for a living, i just think that the old scouts feel threatened and choose to perpetuate the myth of the "harvard grad with a laptop" who has been hired to put them out of a job.

 

if anything, it's the insiders who are being exclusive and trying to push out the new guys.

[Tracer Bullet]

it's my impression that the "stats guys" are more willing to work and employ old school scouts than the opposite.

 

i don't think the new school has really been dismissive of people that watch baseball for a living, i just think that the old scouts feel threatened and choose to perpetuate the myth of the "harvard grad with a laptop" who has been hired to put them out of a job.

 

if anything, it's the insiders who are being exclusive and trying to push out the new guys.

 

 

I think that's true but I can't blame them. They may see it as necessary for their job security.

[davearm2]

I'm back in.

 

Holy semantical gymnastics! His answer is right there, in black and white. But yes, when you completely divorce his answer from the context and make a ton of assumptions independent of the text, yes, he COULD mean something else by it. You're normally literal to a fault. Now you're reaching God knows where and completely ignoring the textual evidence in front of you because YOU believe that a scout should know these things. Well you know what? I believe our development team should use a computer to compile stats on our minor leaguers rather than a pencil and paper. This organization isn't chock full of people who know what we think they should know or do what we think they should do.

 

The organization in general, and Hughes in particular, has given us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. The text gives us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. Good gracious.

Your interpretation of his quote is that Hughes obviously knows less about scouting than the average NSBBer, and the HS v. college concepts we're discussing here are all way over his head.

 

You're entitled to that opinion, as crazy as it sounds to me.

 

Suffice it to say I have a different interpretation, so we may as well leave it at that.

[Magnetic Curses]

you make no sense and your opinion is weird

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Hughes knows a ton about scouting that I'll never know. The nuts and bolts of it. That doesn't mean he's automatically right on larger issues.

[UK1679666180]

I'm back in.

 

Holy semantical gymnastics! His answer is right there, in black and white. But yes, when you completely divorce his answer from the context and make a ton of assumptions independent of the text, yes, he COULD mean something else by it. You're normally literal to a fault. Now you're reaching God knows where and completely ignoring the textual evidence in front of you because YOU believe that a scout should know these things. Well you know what? I believe our development team should use a computer to compile stats on our minor leaguers rather than a pencil and paper. This organization isn't chock full of people who know what we think they should know or do what we think they should do.

 

The organization in general, and Hughes in particular, has given us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. The text gives us no reason to believe this isn't what he actually thinks. Good gracious.

 

If that's the case as far the developmental staff only using stats, Marmol and Wells wouldve been released as no hit catchers and Lake would not have made it past Peoria.

 

That is not even close to what he said, you should know that.

 

I took that completely wrong, for that I apologize. I do agree with Hughes being well behind the times as far as stats. Although, he was the primary scout as far as Fukudome and Pena.

[UK1679666180]

it's my impression that the "stats guys" are more willing to work and employ old school scouts than the opposite.

 

i don't think the new school has really been dismissive of people that watch baseball for a living, i just think that the old scouts feel threatened and choose to perpetuate the myth of the "harvard grad with a laptop" who has been hired to put them out of a job.

 

if anything, it's the insiders who are being exclusive and trying to push out the new guys.

 

Scouts don't feel threatened about their jobs, they feel threatened about how their jobs are going to evolve or devolve.

[SouthSideRyan]

It does appear he is unaware of the differences of HS vs. college

 

Use proper context or at least the entire quote.

 

I don't understand how the remainder of your quote makes a difference. By your own admission, he appears unaware of the differences between HS and college. I'm to believe that he honestly thought McCracken was saying HS players can't be scouted?

[SouthSideRyan]

it's my impression that the "stats guys" are more willing to work and employ old school scouts than the opposite.

 

i don't think the new school has really been dismissive of people that watch baseball for a living, i just think that the old scouts feel threatened and choose to perpetuate the myth of the "harvard grad with a laptop" who has been hired to put them out of a job.

 

if anything, it's the insiders who are being exclusive and trying to push out the new guys.

 

Scouts don't feel threatened about their jobs, they feel threatened about how their jobs are going to evolve or devolve.

 

I don't see a difference there.

[UK1679666180]

It does appear he is unaware of the differences of HS vs. college

 

Use proper context or at least the entire quote.

 

 

 

I don't understand how the remainder of your quote makes a difference. By your own admission, he appears unaware of the differences between HS and college. I'm to believe that he honestly thought McCracken was saying HS players can't be scouted?

 

He's likely looking at it as the ability to be scouted (graded in the present). Voros was looking at it more in terms of grading in the future. Hughes likely knows of the risks yet still feels confident his in and scouts' abilities to provide a future grade as well.

 

I think that scenario is more likely than him not knowing the different risks of selecting a HS arm over a college arm. His opinion is probably that of going BPA rather than putting much weight on the increased risks of a HS arm.

 

I don't see a difference there

 

Scouts aren't worried losing their jobs and becoming unemployed. They don't like the increased use of computers, scheduling, tests, etc. It's becoming more scientific and many are afraid of change to begin with and while technology is a good thing, for those who are opposed to change are going to resist.

 

But, you will still need the same amount if not more scouts at the parks.

Edited September 23, 2011 by UK

[Magnetic Curses]

it's my impression that the "stats guys" are more willing to work and employ old school scouts than the opposite.

 

i don't think the new school has really been dismissive of people that watch baseball for a living, i just think that the old scouts feel threatened and choose to perpetuate the myth of the "harvard grad with a laptop" who has been hired to put them out of a job.

 

if anything, it's the insiders who are being exclusive and trying to push out the new guys.

 

Scouts don't feel threatened about their jobs, they feel threatened about how their jobs are going to evolve or devolve.

 

same difference

[davearm2]

Hughes knows a ton about scouting that I'll never know. The nuts and bolts of it. That doesn't mean he's automatically right on larger issues.

This isn't a question of right or wrong on larger issues.

 

Your contention throughout this thread is that Hughes does not even understand a very basic scouting dynamic -- namely that HS and college players profile differently. It's completely ludicrous and I can hardly believe you continue to defend that belief.

[SouthSideRyan]

His contention is that Hughes doesn't understand that HS players are more risky, and he's too busy telling people what he sees in the hotbox to care what age the guy is.

[Magnetic Curses]

Hughes knows a ton about scouting that I'll never know. The nuts and bolts of it. That doesn't mean he's automatically right on larger issues.

This isn't a question of right or wrong on larger issues.

 

Your contention throughout this thread is that Hughes does not even understand a very basic scouting dynamic -- namely that HS and college players profile differently. It's completely ludicrous and I can hardly believe you continue to defend that belief.

 

you're the one that keeps making the ridiculous argument that the unknown is not unknown because people know it's unknown.

[davearm2]

His contention is that Hughes doesn't understand that HS players are more risky, and he's too busy telling people what he sees in the hotbox to care what age the guy is.

And my contention is, that's completely absurd.

[SouthSideRyan]

His contention is that Hughes doesn't understand that HS players are more risky, and he's too busy telling people what he sees in the hotbox to care what age the guy is.

And my contention is, that's completely absurd.

 

Based on your own sense of contrarianism

[davearm2]

His contention is that Hughes doesn't understand that HS players are more risky, and he's too busy telling people what he sees in the hotbox to care what age the guy is.

And my contention is, that's completely absurd.

 

Based on your own sense of contrarianism

No, based on common sense.

 

Some here would have us believe that Hughes has survived for decades at the highest level of the industry despite not grasping a concept so basic as, HS players are more risky than college players.

 

Use your friggin brains for a second, people. It's beyond ridiculous.

[SouthSideRyan]

His contention is that Hughes doesn't understand that HS players are more risky, and he's too busy telling people what he sees in the hotbox to care what age the guy is.

And my contention is, that's completely absurd.

 

Based on your own sense of contrarianism

No, based on common sense.

 

Some here would have us believe that Hughes has survived for decades at the highest level of the industry despite not grasping a concept so basic as, HS players are more risky than college players.

 

Use your friggin brains for a second, people. It's beyond ridiculous.

 

Hughes wasn't employed for decades based on his risk management.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

His contention is that Hughes doesn't understand that HS players are more risky, and he's too busy telling people what he sees in the hotbox to care what age the guy is.

And my contention is, that's completely absurd.

So's your face.

[imb]

Ok Gary Hughes definitely knows HSers are more unknown than college players, it's just that he doesn't care

[treebird]

can we at least all agree that this stupid old man is gone and we should be thankful