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[Guest]

How much value do you guys think Marshall has?

 

Relievers with a greater WAR than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Brian Wilson, Carlos Marmol

Relievers with a better xFIP than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Billy Wagner, who retired before this season

 

He's owed a little less than 4 million through the end of next season. He's about as valuable as a reliever can get, the only way he could have more value is if he still had arbitration years in front of him.

[shnsajax]

How much value do you guys think Marshall has?

 

Relievers with a greater WAR than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Brian Wilson, Carlos Marmol

Relievers with a better xFIP than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Billy Wagner, who retired before this season

 

He's owed a little less than 4 million through the end of next season. He's about as valuable as a reliever can get, the only way he could have more value is if he still had arbitration years in front of him.

 

Exactly we better be getting Perez or Scheppers for Marshall. The Cubs sucking doesn't make him less valuable.

[KingCubsFan]

How much value do you guys think Marshall has?

 

Relievers with a greater WAR than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Brian Wilson, Carlos Marmol

Relievers with a better xFIP than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Billy Wagner, who retired before this season

 

He's owed a little less than 4 million through the end of next season. He's about as valuable as a reliever can get, the only way he could have more value is if he still had arbitration years in front of him.

Except he's not a closer. Right or wrong, teams won't be giving up their top prospects for a setup guy without real closing experience.

[Guest]

That's fine, trade Marmol, he's more expensive and volatile anyway.

[jersey cubs fan]

How much value do you guys think Marshall has?

 

Relievers with a greater WAR than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Brian Wilson, Carlos Marmol

Relievers with a better xFIP than Marshall since Opening Day 2010: Billy Wagner, who retired before this season

 

He's owed a little less than 4 million through the end of next season. He's about as valuable as a reliever can get, the only way he could have more value is if he still had arbitration years in front of him.

Except he's not a closer. Right or wrong, teams won't be giving up their top prospects for a setup guy without real closing experience.

 

The solution to that problem is don't trade him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The solution to that problem is don't trade him.

Exactly. He doesn't have to go.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Im firmly in the dont trade Marmol or Marshall camp. In fact those 2, Castro, and maybe Garza and Soto are the only guys Id like the Cubs to hold on to from the active big league roster. Everyone else should be fair game for the right price.

[mookie]

I am firmly in the trade anybody not named Starlin Castro camp. Of course, it goes without saying that the trades would have to be worthwhile.

 

I see no one else as untouchable on this squad.

[jersey cubs fan]

I definitely have no problem with them trading Marshall. It's going to get to the point where they will have to sign him longterm if they want to keep him and I hate longterm reliever contracts. If they can get some quality for him, or in a deal that includes him, I would not mind.

[SouthSideRyan]

I am firmly in the trade anybody not named Starlin Castro camp. Of course, it goes without saying that the trades would have to be worthwhile.

 

I see no one else as untouchable on this squad.

 

So if a Castro trade was worthwhile you wouldn't make it?

[Sammy Sofa]

I am firmly in the trade anybody not named Starlin Castro camp. Of course, it goes without saying that the trades would have to be worthwhile.

 

I see no one else as untouchable on this squad.

 

Trading Garza would be really, really stupid.

 

Soto, too.

[davearm2]

Anyone who complains that the Cubs never sell high should be all over trading Marshall and Marmol right now.

[ddwyer]

This may seem strange but I would be OK with trading Marmol but I would rather hang onto Marshall. I could see a setup / closer team of Marshall and Wood for next year. Marmol does scare me somewhat with his delivery. Sell high to a playoff contender this year and get some starting pitching (hopefully at the AA level or higher).

[CubColtPacer]

Anyone who complains that the Cubs never sell high should be all over trading Marshall and Marmol right now.

 

I'm not sure you can ever sell high on Marshall. I doubt his value around the league will ever approach his actual value. Marmol would be a different story and there are definitely reasonable arguments for trading him and for keeping him.

[dew1679666265]

I am firmly in the trade anybody not named Starlin Castro camp. Of course, it goes without saying that the trades would have to be worthwhile.

 

I see no one else as untouchable on this squad.

 

So if a Castro trade was worthwhile you wouldn't make it?

 

I get what you're saying in theory, but a worthwhile Castro trade isn't realistic.

[dew1679666265]

Anyone who complains that the Cubs never sell high should be all over trading Marshall and Marmol right now.

 

I'm not sure you can ever sell high on Marshall. I doubt his value around the league will ever approach his actual value. Marmol would be a different story and there are definitely reasonable arguments for trading him and for keeping him.

 

About the only way you could sell high on Marshall would be if you dealt Marmol this year, installed Marshall as the closer, the team got off to a hot start next year and Marshall racked up a bunch of saves. Thing is, there's no way he'd be dealt if the Cubs were winning and he were closing, so that's probably a moot point.

[SouthSideRyan]

I am firmly in the trade anybody not named Starlin Castro camp. Of course, it goes without saying that the trades would have to be worthwhile.

 

I see no one else as untouchable on this squad.

 

So if a Castro trade was worthwhile you wouldn't make it?

 

I get what you're saying in theory, but a worthwhile Castro trade isn't realistic.

 

A worthwhile Geo trade isn't bloody likely either.

[tspain]

I would trade anyone on this team to try to get better, including Starling Castro, who I love. And he won't be traded cause no one would offer you enough for him, as he has not proven his worth enough yet. Every other player should be on the trading block. When it says above that your most wanted player is Jeff Baker, that has to tell us something. Who else are we going to trade and get anything for? I would trade Marmol, Marshall, Soto, and anyone else. This team has to improve and can by rebuilding from the bottom up. Go ahead and attack me for that, and we can sit here another hundred years without winning by trying to compete every year. See where that gets us, hundred years of nowhere. Hendry is good at trades, and should get us some good pieces in any trade he is able to make. So start the trading Jimbo.

[Sammy Sofa]

Trading doesn't automatically make a team better. Creating a hole without a viable replacement available internally or via FA isn't making the team better.

[erik316wttn]

Trading doesn't automatically make a team better. Creating a hole without a viable replacement available internally or via FA isn't making the team better.

 

I agree. I've never been a fan of creating one hole to fill another.

[Sammy Sofa]

Trading doesn't automatically make a team better. Creating a hole without a viable replacement available internally or via FA isn't making the team better.

 

I agree. I've never been a fan of creating one hole to fill another.

 

It's one thing to move players who are coming to the end of their deals or are blocking decent players or ones that are overvalued due to the position they play (relievers)...it's another to just blindly say that "everyone can go." I never understand people who automatically assume that's a good move. It's basically saying, "yeah, this garbage season we're watching right now? I want to see that for the next 5+ years."

[dew1679666265]

A worthwhile Geo trade isn't bloody likely either.

 

Not likely, but significantly more realistic than a Castro trade. Even though he's still very valuable, Geo is a 28 year old catcher. There's far more incentive to deal a 28 year old catcher than a 21 year old SS, even with the lack of quality depth the Cubs have at catcher in the minors.

[dew1679666265]

When it says above that your most wanted player is Jeff Baker, that has to tell us something. Who else are we going to trade and get anything for?

 

Where are you seeing that Baker is our most wanted player? I'd think Marshall, Marmol and Soto would all be more wanted if they're available and Pena and Kosuke would almost certainly be more valued.

 

That said, Baker does provide something of value - a middle infielder with a power bat against lefties. He can be a pretty valuable trade chip at the deadline.

 

I would trade Marmol, Marshall, Soto, and anyone else. This team has to improve and can by rebuilding from the bottom up. Go ahead and attack me for that, and we can sit here another hundred years without winning by trying to compete every year. See where that gets us, hundred years of nowhere. Hendry is good at trades, and should get us some good pieces in any trade he is able to make. So start the trading Jimbo.

 

This team can eventually win by building from the bottom up, but it's not necessary for a team with the means the Cubs have to completely break apart their major league team. Teams only do that when they have small payrolls and can't afford to fill holes. Teams like the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, Phillies, etc. never rebuild from the ground up because they don't have to. The Marlins, Royals, Rockies, Pirates, etc. do rebuild from the ground up because they have to.

 

At the same time, if you try to deal all the vets we have so that you can go on a major spending spree in the offseason, then you go from having a lot of guys whose contracts are about to end to having a bunch of long term contracts - much like we had in the mid-2000s. The best idea is to move out guys who won't contribute next year, others who are highly overvalued (Marmol for instance) and plug the holes through FA and the minors.

[SouthSideRyan]

Trading doesn't automatically make a team better. Creating a hole without a viable replacement available internally or via FA isn't making the team better.

 

I agree. I've never been a fan of creating one hole to fill another.

 

It's one thing to move players who are coming to the end of their deals or are blocking decent players or ones that are overvalued due to the position they play (relievers)...it's another to just blindly say that "everyone can go." I never understand people who automatically assume that's a good move. It's basically saying, "yeah, this garbage season we're watching right now? I want to see that for the next 5+ years."

 

Yeah but think of how competitive we'll be in 5 years when we're paying Castro 22M/Y and everyone starts hating him because his skin is darker than Dave Kaplan's.

 

 

(Just joking, Kaplan better have been killed by then.)

[davell]

I don't necessarily WANT to trade Geo. But, we've got him for one more year. And while I'd hold onto him for now, if we're not contenders at next year's deadline, I hope we DO trade him at that point. Because I don't want Geo on a 3-4 year deal at 10 mill or so per(Which I figure he'll get).......To trade him now, I want a piece in return I can count on as part of our lineup or rotation for next year. Because we're creating a hole we don't know we can fill, if we deal him now. If we wait, maybe we come up with enough additions over the offseason where he's worth keeping around and with the money we should have to spend, I definitely think it's possible to contend next year, if we do it right.