Prospects who were never Cubs

[Splendid Splinter]

I like what they're doing with Bundy and it's how I would do it if I drafted a HS arm (and who I spent MILLIONS to get him). With going 3-3 IP, 4-4 IP, and 3-5 IP, that's 40 innings. It's a good way to start off and let him get use to pro ball. Plus, you're not restricted by pitch count for that pitcher. By the time he finished that last 5 inning start, it'll be late May and he'll have what? somewhere around 10-15 more starts til the end of minor league season? He'll still probably have around 100 IP for the season which is what I would consider a good workload for a HS arm in their first year of pro ball.

 

I'll give you some examples here of SPs who was drafted in the top 10 and their IP total in their first full season (went back to 2007 and got most of them):

 

Ross Detwiler: 124 (26 starts)

Daniel Moskos: 110.1 (29 games/20 starts)

David Price: 109.2 (19)

Brian Matusz: 113 (19)

Mike Minor: 120.1 (21)

Drew Pomeranz: 101 (20)

Jameson Taillon: 92.2 (23)

 

Out of that group, Taillon is the only one who came out of HS and what a surprise.... He was the only one under 100 (Strasburg did as well with 55.1 IP, but he is an exception here) and he stayed in A ball the entire year. Bundy is going in line with this group in terms of innings in their first full season.

[SouthSideRyan]

Daniel Moskos still makes me laugh.

[illiniguy]

Daniel Moskos still makes me laugh.

Josh Vitters make you cry?

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

I like what they're doing with Bundy and it's how I would do it if I drafted a HS arm (and who I spent MILLIONS to get him). With going 3-3 IP, 4-4 IP, and 3-5 IP, that's 40 innings. It's a good way to start off and let him get use to pro ball. Plus, you're not restricted by pitch count for that pitcher. By the time he finished that last 5 inning start, it'll be late May and he'll have what? somewhere around 10-15 more starts til the end of minor league season? He'll still probably have around 100 IP for the season which is what I would consider a good workload for a HS arm in their first year of pro ball.

 

I'll give you some examples here of SPs who was drafted in the top 10 and their IP total in their first full season (went back to 2007 and got most of them):

 

Ross Detwiler: 124 (26 starts)

Daniel Moskos: 110.1 (29 games/20 starts)

David Price: 109.2 (19)

Brian Matusz: 113 (19)

Mike Minor: 120.1 (21)

Drew Pomeranz: 101 (20)

Jameson Taillon: 92.2 (23)

 

Out of that group, Taillon is the only one who came out of HS and what a surprise.... He was the only one under 100 (Strasburg did as well with 55.1 IP, but he is an exception here) and he stayed in A ball the entire year. Bundy is going in line with this group in terms of innings in their first full season.

 

I feel informed after this post.

[SouthSideRyan]

Daniel Moskos still makes me laugh.

Josh Vitters make you cry?

 

Vitters had the pedigree to go where he did. Moskos was another in a long line of the Pirates being the Ed Creech Pirates

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I like what they're doing with Bundy and it's how I would do it if I drafted a HS arm (and who I spent MILLIONS to get him). With going 3-3 IP, 4-4 IP, and 3-5 IP, that's 40 innings. It's a good way to start off and let him get use to pro ball. Plus, you're not restricted by pitch count for that pitcher. By the time he finished that last 5 inning start, it'll be late May and he'll have what? somewhere around 10-15 more starts til the end of minor league season? He'll still probably have around 100 IP for the season which is what I would consider a good workload for a HS arm in their first year of pro ball.

 

I'll give you some examples here of SPs who was drafted in the top 10 and their IP total in their first full season (went back to 2007 and got most of them):

 

Ross Detwiler: 124 (26 starts)

Daniel Moskos: 110.1 (29 games/20 starts)

David Price: 109.2 (19)

Brian Matusz: 113 (19)

Mike Minor: 120.1 (21)

Drew Pomeranz: 101 (20)

Jameson Taillon: 92.2 (23)

 

Out of that group, Taillon is the only one who came out of HS and what a surprise.... He was the only one under 100 (Strasburg did as well with 55.1 IP, but he is an exception here) and he stayed in A ball the entire year. Bundy is going in line with this group in terms of innings in their first full season.

 

I feel informed after this post.

The Orioles apparently told Bundy before the season that he was going to be capped at 120 innings one way or the other, and that it was Bundy's call whether those innings were distributed: (1) in 3 to 5-inning outings spread across the entire season, or (2) longer outings in a compressed season before being shut down once the limit was hit. Apparently Bundy chose the former.

 

Not sure how I feel about giving a teenage HS prospect discretion over his own development, but that's apparently what happened. I don't think a general innings limit is a horrible thing for a pitching prospect coming out of HS, though I worry that they may actually be stunting hi development as a starter by not allowing him to go through lineups a second or third time. As a starter, he's going to have to eventually learn how to grind through a lineup that's already seen him once through and show them different pitches and off-speed offerings to generate outs; so far he really hasn't had to do that.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

If you're ever bored Bundy used to put up a ton of his workouts on YouTube....since he was 14 maybe even younger. Lots of punching bag stuff...Really just an interesting prospect.

[TruffleShuffle]

why? put him on a pitch count. if it's 50, then let him throw 50 pitches, regardless of whether he gets through 2.2 innings or 5 innings.

 

Because throwing 50 pitches in 2 innings isn't the same as throwing 50 over 3-4. If you are trying to stretch a guy out, you want him sitting down between innings, coming back out and still throwing. You want him warming up every inning and training his bodies for what actually happens in a 9 inning game rather than going out there and racking up a high pitch count early. He's a young high school draftee, there's nothing wrong with having him pitch 2 months in A ball. There's no reason to bump him based on 15 innings.

 

how is letting him occasionally struggle against high A or AA hitters less training for "what actually happens in a 9 inning game" than having him set the side down in order in 10 pitches every inning?

[jersey cubs fan]

why? put him on a pitch count. if it's 50, then let him throw 50 pitches, regardless of whether he gets through 2.2 innings or 5 innings.

 

Because throwing 50 pitches in 2 innings isn't the same as throwing 50 over 3-4. If you are trying to stretch a guy out, you want him sitting down between innings, coming back out and still throwing. You want him warming up every inning and training his bodies for what actually happens in a 9 inning game rather than going out there and racking up a high pitch count early. He's a young high school draftee, there's nothing wrong with having him pitch 2 months in A ball. There's no reason to bump him based on 15 innings.

 

how is letting him occasionally struggle against high A or AA hitters less training for "what actually happens in a 9 inning game" than having him set the side down in order in 10 pitches every inning?

 

There will be time for that. For now, they want to stretch him out. I don't see what the problem is. Nitpicking over not promoting soon enough doesn't make any sense to me.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

So Francisco Lindor might be a beast:

 

http://mobile.minorleagueball.com/2012/5/10/3012589/minor-league-notes-may-10-2012

 

Minor League Notes, May 10, 2012

 

**Cleveland Indians prospect Francisco Lindor is 4-for-10 in his last two games for Low-A Lake County in the Florida State League, and is currently hitting .307/.354/.453 overall. He's swiped 11 bases, drawn 10 walks, while fanning 19 times in 137 at-bats. His walk rate isn't great, but he's making contact, showing pop with the bat, hitting for average, and playing very impressive defense at shortstop, with plus arm strength, plus range, and more reliability than most young shortstops. And he's just 18 years old. Lindor is showing considerable polish to go with his tools and is rapidly becoming one of my favorite prospects. I gave him a Grade B+ in the book but am already raising that to A-, and he could be a pure Grade A by the end of the season.

[Guest]

So Francisco Lindor might be a beast:

 

http://mobile.minorleagueball.com/2012/5/10/3012589/minor-league-notes-may-10-2012

 

Minor League Notes, May 10, 2012

 

**Cleveland Indians prospect Francisco Lindor is 4-for-10 in his last two games for Low-A Lake County in the Florida State League, and is currently hitting .307/.354/.453 overall. He's swiped 11 bases, drawn 10 walks, while fanning 19 times in 137 at-bats. His walk rate isn't great, but he's making contact, showing pop with the bat, hitting for average, and playing very impressive defense at shortstop, with plus arm strength, plus range, and more reliability than most young shortstops. And he's just 18 years old. Lindor is showing considerable polish to go with his tools and is rapidly becoming one of my favorite prospects. I gave him a Grade B+ in the book but am already raising that to A-, and he could be a pure Grade A by the end of the season.

 

Lake County is in the Midwest League, not the FSL.

 

But yes, he has been rather impressive with the bat.

[illiniguy]

The Angels released Trevor Reckling, I know he struggled the past year and a half, but man that's quick to give up on a young arm.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

The Angels released Trevor Reckling, I know he struggled the past year and a half, but man that's quick to give up on a young arm.

 

A lefty at that...Newark, NJ native so I'll root for him.

[illiniguy]

The Angels released Trevor Reckling, I know he struggled the past year and a half, but man that's quick to give up on a young arm.

 

A lefty at that...Newark, NJ native so I'll root for him.

I dont get it, is he hurt?

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

The Angels released Trevor Reckling, I know he struggled the past year and a half, but man that's quick to give up on a young arm.

 

A lefty at that...Newark, NJ native so I'll root for him.

I dont get it, is he hurt?

 

He's their Jay Jackson...just never developed after some strong early showings. Mechanics aren't supposed to be good, never gained velocity, and his curveba of doom no longer brings doom.

 

Maybe hes an [expletive]...got out of shape or just stopped working or something. You'd think he'd wait to get paid first so maybe he's just bad.

[TruffleShuffle]

billy hamilton is on pace to steal something like 150 bases this year. :shock:

[TruffleShuffle]

dylan bundy had his worst start as a professional tonight: 5 ip, 2 h, 1 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 3 k, 1 hbp.

 

season numbers: 25.0 ip, 4 h, 2 r, 0 er, 2 bb, 36 k, 1 hbp, 0.00 era, 0.24 whip.

[Clem Fandango]

The Angels released Trevor Reckling, I know he struggled the past year and a half, but man that's quick to give up on a young arm.

 

A lefty at that...Newark, NJ native so I'll root for him.

I dont get it, is he hurt?

 

He's their Jay Jackson...just never developed after some strong early showings. Mechanics aren't supposed to be good, never gained velocity, and his curveba of doom no longer brings doom.

 

Maybe hes an [expletive]...got out of shape or just stopped working or something. You'd think he'd wait to get paid first so maybe he's just bad.

 

Doesn't help when you give up 14ER, walk 15 batters, and hit 5 more of them in 6.2 innings at High A ball when you're 23.

[TruffleShuffle]

enough with the [expletive] curveball of doom.

[Cubswin11]

enough with the [expletive] curveball of doom.

You're right, curveball of doom shall henceforth be known as an "Outlaw Cure*."

 

 

*Bobby Brownline has patent pending on that phrase

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

enough with the [expletive] curveball of doom.

 

Curveball of destruction? The Two Plane Bringer of Woe? The Eagle?

[TruffleShuffle]

everyone with a breaking ball projected as 50 or greater on the scouting scale was apparently in possession of a curveball of doom.

[TruffleShuffle]

nice start for trevor bauer in his AAA debut: 8 ip, 4 h, 1 er, 1 bb, 11 k, 1 hr.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

enough with the [expletive] curveball of doom.

You're right, curveball of doom shall henceforth be known as an "Outlaw Cure*."

 

 

*Bobby Brownline has patent pending on that phrase

 

 

IIRC, might have to check my Neyer/James, outlaw curve used to be a real thing.

 

Reckling at one point had a noteworthy curveball. I doubt it's even an average pitch anymore.

 

Trevor Bauer or Danny Hultzen? Give me Hultzen.

[Guest]

nice start for trevor bauer in his AAA debut: 8 ip, 4 h, 1 er, 1 bb, 11 k, 1 hr.

 

In Reno, at that.

 

Trevor Bauer or Danny Hultzen? Give me Hultzen.

 

Why?