2011 NBA Lottery/Draft

[UMFan83]

So basically God tried to again screw Cleveland by giving them the 4th pick when they had the 2nd best odds. But luckily the Cavs went up against a force of bad luck much worse than Cleveland, the Clippers. I didn't realize a unprotected 1st was included in that trade. What a horrible trade.

[UMFan83]

Some L.A. writer is saying the Clippers couldn't make that pick top-3 protected because of some rule. Anyone know what he's referring to?

 

I heard someone say something about acquiring Eric Bledsoe had something to do with it but I cant find the whole story.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think they can still hold a draft during a lockout, just like the NFL did.

 

 

Also, it appears the thing about LA not being able to trade a pick beyond 2011 may be true. In the NBA you can't have two consecutive years without a first rounder into the future. And with pick protections, there is often uncertainty about when a team will or won't have a pick.

 

The picks due to them: Clippers have a pick due to them from Wolves (top 10 protected in 2011, unprotected in 2012). But they also owe a pick to OKC (top 10 protected 2012-15, unprotected in 2016).

 

You can run through all the scenarios and it leaves you with a situation where LA wasn't allowed to commit future picks else they'd break the consecutive first round pick rule, or owe two picks in a year but only have one to give.

 

Depending on the rules they may have been able to offer a conditional top 10 pick in 2012 (if outside top 10 it goes to OKC) but given the choice of possibily losing a top pick in 2011 or 2010, I guess you'd take the chance on 2011, being a weaker draft.

[bukie]

It's even more amusing that both lottery picks that got traded this year were top 3.

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay here's my clearest attempt to run through the Clips future picks:

 

What we know (at time of trade):

Are due Wolves #1 pick in 2011 (top ten protected, unprotected in 2012)

Owe OKC first round pick in 2012 (top ten protected, top 10 13-15, unprotected 16)

 

1. Minnesota 2011 pick falls outside top 10.

a. LA has two first round picks.

b. LA keeps pick from Cle because of protection

 

Then in 2012:

1. LA Owes top 1o protected pick to OKC. Still have not paid Cleveland. Now you don't have to give a first round pick. For instance, they could protect it top 3 in 2011 or give nothing, but then obviously Cleveland isn't doing the deal. Maybe you walk away there, but it is what it is. They could give a conditional top 10 pick to Cleveland if they don't have to give OKC the pick, but you'd rather lose the top pick in 2011 than 2012.

 

So actually it doesn't even come down to the consecutive pick rule, just the rule stating you have to actually be certain you have a pick to trade, which doesn't seem like the case.

 

But thats when you say, we'll just hold onto Baron for now...

[hawkeyecub]

I'm still confused.

[WrigleyField 22]

More or less, they over committed their future picks even though it is unclear exactly when those commitments would be realized.

[hawkeyecub]

More or less, they over committed their future picks even though it is unclear exactly when those commitments would be realized.

 

Yeah I get that but couldn't they have used the Minnesota 1st rounder in that case?

[WrigleyField 22]

Not if the Minnesota pick was outside the top 10 in 2011, which was another uncertainty (however unlikely)

[Banedon]

“This league has a habit, and I am just going to say habit, of producing some pretty incredible story lines,” Kahn said. “Last year it was Abe Pollin’s widow and this year it was a 14-year-old boy and the only thing we have in common is we have both been bar mitzvahed. We were done. I told Kevin: ‘We’re toast.’ This is not happening for us and I was right.”

 

Wow. Stern is gonna fine the [expletive] out of him.

[Mark Priors Calves]

There is no real good reason the actual draft lottery is not televised live. In a similar system, major soccer competition drawings are held on live tv to help avoid the allegations of fraud or misconduct. It avoids the bizarre conspiracy that inevitable spring up.

[WrigleyField 22]

You'd honestly get too many people who don't understand the process if it was televised, even further flaming the conspiracy nuts.

 

Teams have reps at the drawing and it is validated by Ernst and Young. If thats not enough for people, nothing will.

 

I'm actually shocked Kahn might actually believe it. He has a rep there to verify it. If he somehow believes the NBA is rigging the lottery balls... well...

[UMFan83]

“This league has a habit, and I am just going to say habit, of producing some pretty incredible story lines,” Kahn said. “Last year it was Abe Pollin’s widow and this year it was a 14-year-old boy and the only thing we have in common is we have both been bar mitzvahed. We were done. I told Kevin: ‘We’re toast.’ This is not happening for us and I was right.”

 

Wow. Stern is gonna fine the [expletive] out of him.

 

KAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNNN. That man is awesomely insane.

[Guest]

Coincidence that Minn is one of the worst run franchises in pro sports?

[Derwood]

Coincidence that Minn is one of the worst run franchises in pro sports?

You mean crying and playing the victim doesn't win championships?

[Banedon]

There is no real good reason the actual draft lottery is not televised live. In a similar system, major soccer competition drawings are held on live tv to help avoid the allegations of fraud or misconduct. It avoids the bizarre conspiracy that inevitable spring up.

 

Each team has a representative in the room when the ping pong balls are drawn. How much more transparency is really necessary? I mean, if fans wanna think "conspiracy", that's one thing. But when GM comes out with that? Craziness. And it only reinforces the fan's theories.

 

FWIW, Kahn says he was joking. I still think it's gonna prove to be an expensive joke.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Again, there's no reason to have it done behind closed doors. People don't care than a reputable accounting firm is validating it, they want to see it for themselves(even though, it won't calm the claims of the lunatic fringe).

[TruffleShuffle]

plus the draft was won by [expletive] cleveland. it's not like the nba gifted some elite talent to a big market, a la ewing in 1985. what's the motivation in giving a declining city the #1 pick in a weak draft?

 

plus does kahn not know the odds? even as the worst team you have a 1 in 4 chance of the #1 pick. you actually have a better chance of picking outside the top 2 than you do of getting one of those picks. so stop being an [expletive] and shut up.

[WrigleyField 22]

Again, there's no reason to have it done behind closed doors. People don't care than a reputable accounting firm is validating it, they want to see it for themselves(even though, it won't calm the claims of the lunatic fringe).

The first ping pong will come out as a 6 or something. People not understanding how it works will go insane saying that the "sixth" team should have the first pick.

 

Then once you get past the people who just can't wrap their minds around how the lottery works (and there will be other things like "ZOMG why did they ignore that one series of numbers")

 

Then once you have that, you'll have the pseudo-scientist crazies who watch the balls or the timing of the release as some insane proof the NBA was able to control the ping pong balls.

 

Being more transparent acutally just gives the crazies more opportunity to come up with new idiotic theories. At least now all they can say is that its behind closed doors and then theorize why who got what pick.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I recall watching the lottery one year. I've never had a desire to tune in again.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5803056/this-video-suggests-that-david-kahn-was-just-trying-to-make-a-funny

 

The video indicates his words were much more harmless than the quotes indicate.

 

 

And Wrigleyfield22 your excuses about transparency making it worse are funny.

[nick23]

I heard Knight was one of those weirdo Myron Rolle types that likes to get good grades and has other interests besides basketball.

 

Yes, he seems like a very good kid. I never understood why exactly he went to Kentucky. That said, seeing as the same seems to hold true for Irving, I fail to see how that's relevant, at all, in any comparison.

Yeah, it makes no sense that a PG would want to go play for Calipari.

[SouthSideRyan]

I heard Knight was one of those weirdo Myron Rolle types that likes to get good grades and has other interests besides basketball.

 

Yes, he seems like a very good kid. I never understood why exactly he went to Kentucky. That said, seeing as the same seems to hold true for Irving, I fail to see how that's relevant, at all, in any comparison.

Yeah, it makes no sense that a PG would want to go play for Calipari.

 

He meant because he can read.

[UMFan83]

Again, there's no reason to have it done behind closed doors. People don't care than a reputable accounting firm is validating it, they want to see it for themselves(even though, it won't calm the claims of the lunatic fringe).

 

Even if they televised that thing live people would still find a way to claim its rigged.

 

And the lottery used to be shown live back when every non playoff team had an equal shot at getting number one. Stern used to pull envelopes out of a wheel thing. That's how the "frozen envelope" conspiracy started with the Knicks and Ewing.

[Mark Priors Calves]

People used to be able to see the actual selection of the picks, such as with the Ewing draft lottery and it has since been moved to behind closed doors. That's added to the conspiracy theories as much as anything else. Put it out in the open, stupid people be damned. Besides, if the NBA actually wants an audience to watch the lottery, I'd imagine the actual selection would be much more interesting than how it is revealed now (widows, sick kids, god knows who else representing their teams).